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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 18, 2007 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 18, 2007 7:07 am)

You might want to read Automobile's comparison test. They had a few choice things to say about the CTS interior. I have already quoted them here before.
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Re: If Cadillac wants to be the standard of the world... [sls002] by xrunner2
Sep 18, 2007 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 17, 2007 6:57 am)

But the S-class consumer is looking at much more luxurious levels of trim, so Cadillacs are probably not quite on the level for consideration.
 
S-class consumers are also needing a car that has an elan or panache. It must be very exclusive. Cadillac has not had any offerings to meet that characterization. Has it ever had?
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Re: If Cadillac wants to be the standard of the world... [xrunner2] by sls002
Sep 18, 2007 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Sep 18, 2007 8:17 am)

In the late 50's Cadillac tried something with the Eldorado Brougham. This was priced on a par with Rolls Royce and I think Cadillac was trying to break into that market. About the time that Cadillac pulled the plug on the Eldorado Brougham, Mercedes entered the market with the 600 sedan/limo. The S-class I think came out of the 600, although the S is not quite what the 600 was either.
 
I think Cadillac had something in the thirties with the V16, but they have never had anything quite like that since. Cadillac has generally wanted a profitable model, not really an icon.
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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 18, 2007 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2007 7:18 am)

Could you give me an Automobile link? All I can find are pictures.
 
thanks
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 18, 2007 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 18, 2007 8:31 am)

The article is in the September issue, and the comparison test was done in Germany. The title is "In Enemy Territory". I don't think that it is on the website as yet. I have a subscription to Automobile.
 
A point to consider: since Cadillac has been marketing the CTS as an entry level (3-series) car, moving it upmarket needs to be done with the 2008 model on the basis that it is all new. Of course this brings up the problem of where does the STS fit then. Sure it can be put up against the 7-series, but it has not done well in comparison tests with the E-class or 5-series.
 
I will say this, if a CTS wagon were going to be available for the 2008 model year (it won't), I would most likely have waited for it.
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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 18, 2007 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2007 1:51 pm)

STS is not ready for that kind of prime time. Just announced that the DTS and STS will be replaced by one model.
 
I do not get the mag but I can probably get one.
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Hey by british_rover
Sep 18, 2007 (5:23 pm)
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I think I just saw the new CTS in Burn Notice. Not bad looking and pretty good product placement it wasn't that blatant.
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. by fintail
Sep 18, 2007 (5:40 pm)
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I have noticed new CTS advertising inserts in some car magazines, kind of made to look like an article. I can't say I care for this form of advertising.
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Re: Hey [british_rover] by sls002
Sep 19, 2007 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Sep 18, 2007 5:23 pm)

I commented on this too, and yes it is the CTS, as the interior is not an STS. So it is the new 2008 CTS, and it has been on the last few episodes.
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 19, 2007 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 18, 2007 5:09 pm)

I have the October issue now, so the September issue will not be available much longer. They did think the new interior was much better than the first generation, but felt that it was overdone to some extent. The plastics were not as good as the Germans. They also felt that the rear seats in the CTS were not as supportive as the 3-series or C-class even though there is more room.
 
I don't know just what Cadillac is thinking for the next generation STS or DTS. If Cadillac plans to play in the 5-series sports sedan market, then the smaller end of the DTS/STS model will need to be this type of sedan. The larger end of the combined model can be a deVille replacement. An even larger model might be a higher end model like the old Fleetwood sixty special was.

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