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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 18, 2007 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2007 6:32 am)

From what I have read they have done it.
 
After years of being criticized for its slapdash interior designs, General Motors has consistently improved the quality, fit and finish inside its vehicles, including the Cadillac CTS. The leather trim for components like the instrument panel, center console and the insides of the doors is now cut, wrapped and sewn entirely by hand and includes decorative French stitching found on much more expensive European luxury cars. Gauges and controls are fairly straightforward and ergonomically correct.
 
And from folks who actually were in one:
 
http://autos.yahoo.com/cadillac_cts-reviews_user/
 
Comfortable and handsomely trimmed interior
 
Possibly the most dramatic improvement to the CTS is the upscale and coherently flowing interior, complete with classy materials and top-notch fit and finish. Cadillac’s least-expensive car certainly doesn’t feel that way, and it upstages the ’08 Mercedes C-class. It also doesn’t hurt that even with a steeply raked rear window, the CTS offers a much larger and usable back seat (the smallest Caddy is similar in size to a 5-series BMW) than those in the smaller luxury sedans it competes with price-wise.
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 18, 2007 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 18, 2007 7:07 am)

You might want to read Automobile's comparison test. They had a few choice things to say about the CTS interior. I have already quoted them here before.
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Re: If Cadillac wants to be the standard of the world... [sls002] by xrunner2
Sep 18, 2007 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 17, 2007 6:57 am)

But the S-class consumer is looking at much more luxurious levels of trim, so Cadillacs are probably not quite on the level for consideration.
 
S-class consumers are also needing a car that has an elan or panache. It must be very exclusive. Cadillac has not had any offerings to meet that characterization. Has it ever had?
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Re: If Cadillac wants to be the standard of the world... [xrunner2] by sls002
Sep 18, 2007 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Sep 18, 2007 8:17 am)

In the late 50's Cadillac tried something with the Eldorado Brougham. This was priced on a par with Rolls Royce and I think Cadillac was trying to break into that market. About the time that Cadillac pulled the plug on the Eldorado Brougham, Mercedes entered the market with the 600 sedan/limo. The S-class I think came out of the 600, although the S is not quite what the 600 was either.
 
I think Cadillac had something in the thirties with the V16, but they have never had anything quite like that since. Cadillac has generally wanted a profitable model, not really an icon.
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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 18, 2007 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2007 7:18 am)

Could you give me an Automobile link? All I can find are pictures.
 
thanks
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 18, 2007 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 18, 2007 8:31 am)

The article is in the September issue, and the comparison test was done in Germany. The title is "In Enemy Territory". I don't think that it is on the website as yet. I have a subscription to Automobile.
 
A point to consider: since Cadillac has been marketing the CTS as an entry level (3-series) car, moving it upmarket needs to be done with the 2008 model on the basis that it is all new. Of course this brings up the problem of where does the STS fit then. Sure it can be put up against the 7-series, but it has not done well in comparison tests with the E-class or 5-series.
 
I will say this, if a CTS wagon were going to be available for the 2008 model year (it won't), I would most likely have waited for it.
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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 18, 2007 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2007 1:51 pm)

STS is not ready for that kind of prime time. Just announced that the DTS and STS will be replaced by one model.
 
I do not get the mag but I can probably get one.
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Hey by british_rover
Sep 18, 2007 (5:23 pm)
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I think I just saw the new CTS in Burn Notice. Not bad looking and pretty good product placement it wasn't that blatant.
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. by fintail
Sep 18, 2007 (5:40 pm)
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I have noticed new CTS advertising inserts in some car magazines, kind of made to look like an article. I can't say I care for this form of advertising.
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Re: Hey [british_rover] by sls002
Sep 19, 2007 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Sep 18, 2007 5:23 pm)

I commented on this too, and yes it is the CTS, as the interior is not an STS. So it is the new 2008 CTS, and it has been on the last few episodes.

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