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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 29, 2007 9:27 am) It is still at its heart a Chevy/GMC truck. All other Luxury SUVs in that class or price range, except for the Navigator, are not handicapped by a plebeian mass market platform. The Navigator is the exception to all of this but it is even worse then the Escalade. Everything else is some for of unibody platform some with subframes. Everything else is a fully independent suspension, many with standard air springs and some with standard adaptive air suspension. Many luxury SUVs now have a adaptive combination hydraulic/pneumatic suspension." Even though it doesn't have IFS, it is still the best there is no doubt. Large GM SUV's are still the standard to be measured with and im not afraid to tell you. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 29, 2007 10:35 am) Just to let you know, that Jaguar V8 is a Ford engine in disguise.
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 30, 2007 3:42 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jun 29, 2007 6:36 pm) Not at all. I knew you were a closet SUV lover all along  If you need an SUV what's not to like about the Escalade. My wife likes the looks of the Denali better. If GM equips them with their new smaller diesel engine I will be very tempted. I do not need the HP of the 6.0L engine. Or the gas mileage. The 5.3L has plenty of power for me and I was able to squeek out 21.79 MPG on one tank on the highway last week. For some reason automakers think those that want luxury also want gobs of HP and are interested in how fast the vehicle will go from 0-60 MPH. All I need is enough to accelerate into freeway traffic safely.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2007 6:01 am) Doesn't that juvenile need for higher horsepower and glitz come from the advertising of the car companies and from the purchasers' reacting to it to feed their egos rather than their needs-most of the time? >I do not need the HP of the 6.0L engine. Or the gas mileage. The 5.3L has plenty of power for me ...All I need is enough to accelerate into freeway traffic safely. That's a realistic evaluation of need rather than want. Much more practical and economical in the long run.
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 30, 2007 3:42 am) Just to let you know, that Jaguar V8 is a Ford engine in disguise. See you say things like that and then ask me to take you seriously. How can I take someone seriously when they don't know simple facts? IFS means Independent front suspension something that the escalade has always had since it is based on the Tahoe which has had an independent front suspension since the late 1980s. What the Tahoe and Escalade don't have is an independent REAR suspension. That is why their third row seats can't fold flat and why they have poor leg room in the third row. Just look at the specs... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107941 Leg room in the third row is only 25.4 inches. That is 10 inches less then competitors with a IRS setup. Those same vehicles can still tow between 6,000 and 8,000 lbs just like the Escalade so you can design an IRS setup to tow. RE: The AJ-V8 as Jescue said it is not a Ford engine. The bore, stroke, bore centers, heads, valvetrain are all completely different. The Ford Modular V8 was designed to be a SOHC 2 valve per cylinder iron block motor with a displacement of 4.6 liters originally. Later on 3 valve and 4 valve versions were made in 4.6 and 5.4 liter displacements. The AJ-V8 was designed from the beginning to be a DOHC 4 valve per cylinder motor with an alloy block. Early versions had the Niksal cylinder liner problem like BMW and Mercedes. It was originally a 4.0 liter engine and then expanded to 4.2 and 4.4 liter displacements. The fourth generation AJ-V8 will have a 5.0 liter version as well. The V8 Vantage uses a 4.3 liter all hand built engine loosely based on the AJ-V8. Only the valve covers are direct carry overs from the Jag engines and it has dry sump lubrication to make it a 7,000 RPM screamer. Anything else you want me to correct for you?
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Replying to: jescue (Jun 30, 2007 5:54 am) I remember when Jaquar first started using the new block and it was like you said back in the late 1990's. I read and heard a single report on this, but then it was not revealed again because of Jaguar buyers expect Jaguar engines. It's a Ford block with different internals, thus its a Ford engine. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 30, 2007 6:39 am) Thats what I meant to say. I am aware it doesn't have an independent rear-end, but it still has the best ride for its size. When you go independent in the rear you also lose some towing capability. The Ford Explorers switch to independent rear didn't make it better riding than a GMC Envoy. As far as the Jaguar/Ford engine that is what was the news that was released years ago. Jaguar using the Ford block with different internals. I remember it clearly and was thinking true Jaguar buyer are not going to go for this. Maybe those were false reports, but that was what was said. Incidently have you ever heard that GM supplied automatic transmissions for Jaguars for many many years, even after Ford purchased them. Jaguar is not going to admit to that either.
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 30, 2007 12:13 pm) Everything you wanted to know about the AJ-V8 http://www.theautochannel.com/news/events/jaguar/press/xK8engine.html The original 4.0 liter V8 uses a square 86 mm bore and stroke. Jag AJ-V8 There is one version of the AJ-V8 that was built by Ford in the US and that is the AJ30/AJ35. It was put in the Ford Thunderbird and Lincoln LS. http://www.thedrivenman.com/AJ6/v8_performance.html The 4.6 liter Ford Modular V8 uses a nearly square 90.2 mm Bore and 90.0 mm stroke. Modular V8 Of course Jag used GM transmissions for a while. Being such a small company it was hard to design their own and GM made a good 4 speed automatic at the time. The whole car was designed around that transmission so they aren't going to throw it out just because ownership changed hands. Just like The Range Rover kept using BMW V8s for several years after Ford bought Land Rover. It takes a while to make a big design change like that. I bit you didn't know that the XC90 used a GM transmission for a while either did you?
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>XC90 used a GM transmission for a while either did you? Didn't they use GM AC compressors in those cars too back several years. I believe I watched them make them and was told they go to Jag and Volvo among other clients.
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