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Replying to: fintail (Jun 29, 2007 1:15 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 29, 2007 1:20 pm) I haven't seen the wheel on a newer Caddy passenger car, I hope it's not an old Malibu wheel - I wouldn't put it past them |
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I thought the Cadillac Escalade was the king of SUV's? That and the GMC Yukon Denali (which are essentially the same vehicle, just different skins) Someone on here probably just had a heart attack cause they'd never thought they'd hear this from me.
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 29, 2007 9:27 am) It is still at its heart a Chevy/GMC truck. All other Luxury SUVs in that class or price range, except for the Navigator, are not handicapped by a plebeian mass market platform. The Navigator is the exception to all of this but it is even worse then the Escalade. Everything else is some for of unibody platform some with subframes. Everything else is a fully independent suspension, many with standard air springs and some with standard adaptive air suspension. Many luxury SUVs now have a adaptive combination hydraulic/pneumatic suspension." Even though it doesn't have IFS, it is still the best there is no doubt. Large GM SUV's are still the standard to be measured with and im not afraid to tell you. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 29, 2007 10:35 am) Just to let you know, that Jaguar V8 is a Ford engine in disguise.
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 30, 2007 3:42 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jun 29, 2007 6:36 pm) Not at all. I knew you were a closet SUV lover all along  If you need an SUV what's not to like about the Escalade. My wife likes the looks of the Denali better. If GM equips them with their new smaller diesel engine I will be very tempted. I do not need the HP of the 6.0L engine. Or the gas mileage. The 5.3L has plenty of power for me and I was able to squeek out 21.79 MPG on one tank on the highway last week. For some reason automakers think those that want luxury also want gobs of HP and are interested in how fast the vehicle will go from 0-60 MPH. All I need is enough to accelerate into freeway traffic safely.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 30, 2007 6:01 am) Doesn't that juvenile need for higher horsepower and glitz come from the advertising of the car companies and from the purchasers' reacting to it to feed their egos rather than their needs-most of the time? >I do not need the HP of the 6.0L engine. Or the gas mileage. The 5.3L has plenty of power for me ...All I need is enough to accelerate into freeway traffic safely. That's a realistic evaluation of need rather than want. Much more practical and economical in the long run.
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Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 30, 2007 3:42 am) Just to let you know, that Jaguar V8 is a Ford engine in disguise. See you say things like that and then ask me to take you seriously. How can I take someone seriously when they don't know simple facts? IFS means Independent front suspension something that the escalade has always had since it is based on the Tahoe which has had an independent front suspension since the late 1980s. What the Tahoe and Escalade don't have is an independent REAR suspension. That is why their third row seats can't fold flat and why they have poor leg room in the third row. Just look at the specs... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=107941 Leg room in the third row is only 25.4 inches. That is 10 inches less then competitors with a IRS setup. Those same vehicles can still tow between 6,000 and 8,000 lbs just like the Escalade so you can design an IRS setup to tow. RE: The AJ-V8 as Jescue said it is not a Ford engine. The bore, stroke, bore centers, heads, valvetrain are all completely different. The Ford Modular V8 was designed to be a SOHC 2 valve per cylinder iron block motor with a displacement of 4.6 liters originally. Later on 3 valve and 4 valve versions were made in 4.6 and 5.4 liter displacements. The AJ-V8 was designed from the beginning to be a DOHC 4 valve per cylinder motor with an alloy block. Early versions had the Niksal cylinder liner problem like BMW and Mercedes. It was originally a 4.0 liter engine and then expanded to 4.2 and 4.4 liter displacements. The fourth generation AJ-V8 will have a 5.0 liter version as well. The V8 Vantage uses a 4.3 liter all hand built engine loosely based on the AJ-V8. Only the valve covers are direct carry overs from the Jag engines and it has dry sump lubrication to make it a 7,000 RPM screamer. Anything else you want me to correct for you?
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Replying to: jescue (Jun 30, 2007 5:54 am) I remember when Jaquar first started using the new block and it was like you said back in the late 1990's. I read and heard a single report on this, but then it was not revealed again because of Jaguar buyers expect Jaguar engines. It's a Ford block with different internals, thus its a Ford engine. |
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