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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Time to Retitle the Thread? [steve_] by displacedtexan
Jun 29, 2007 (5:41 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jun 28, 2007 4:14 pm)

Or does everyone think Caddy doesn't want to be the world standard again and will settle for being "just another GM model?"
 
I sincerely hope not.
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I sincerely hope... by lemko
Jun 29, 2007 (6:03 am)
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...that Cadillac doesn't think it is already back on top and starts to slack-off again. Cadillac's rennaisance began with the 1992 Seville and Eldorado. It still has a ways to go before it is truly world-class.
 
Good signs:
 
Cadillac CTS is a quantum leap over the abyssmal Cimmaron and mediocre Catera. The 2008 CTS looks even better. Hope to see it in the metal soon!
 
Cadillac Escalade is still the King of SUVs.
 
Much-improved interior in DTS but fix the dang steering wheel! It looks as out of place against that gorgeous intrument panel as a wheel from a Boyertown van would look in an Aston Martin.
 
The Cadillac V-Series.
 
Bad signs:
 
The STS is an also-ran. Don't like it as much as the previous FWD generation. I was very disappointed in the new STS. I much rather like my older car.
 
The DTS is still considered pretty much an old-school Cadillac. RWD or AWD would add considerable cachet to this model. And again - dispense with the cheap Impala steering wheel and bring back the automatic parking brake release!
 
Cadillac Escalade truck - get rid of this stupid anachronism! It might've made sense back in the 1990s, but it's an embarrassment today. You don't see Toyota making a Lexus truck out of the Tundra!
 
The XLR needs more development. It still comes across as a Corvette in a Brooks Brothers suit.
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Re: I sincerely hope... [lemko] by imidazol97
Jun 29, 2007 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 29, 2007 6:03 am)

>The STS is an also-ran. Don't like it as much as the previous FWD generation. I was very disappointed in the new STS. I much rather like my older car
 
I keep seeing an STS4 picking up the kid at summer school. What does the 4 mean?
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Re: I sincerely hope... [imidazol97] by british_rover
Jun 29, 2007 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 29, 2007 6:08 am)

AWD I guess.
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Re: I sincerely hope... [lemko] by gagrice
Jun 29, 2007 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 29, 2007 6:03 am)

Cadillac Escalade is still the King of SUVs.
 
I think you're right. I talked to a guy last Sunday at Mesa Verde National Park. He was driving a new Escalade. I asked how he liked it. It was a rental and he loved it. Said it handled and rode better than his wife's MB S430. Best road vehicle he ever drove. He had flown into Durango and that is all that was available for rent. I would buy one if my wife would go along with it.
 
I agree about the PU version being, Eh! Don't be surprised if Lexus comes out with a Tundra re-badge to compete. Their LX470 is all but dead and they do not have a large SUV to compete with the others.
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Re: How Cadillac can upset... [lemko] by sls002
Jun 29, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 29, 2007 4:32 am)

The DTS performance is rated 292 hp. The RWD STS has the 320 hp engine, as does my SRX. I think that the FWD DTS is on its last generation as FWD.
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Re: How Cadillac can upset... [sls002] by lemko
Jun 29, 2007 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jun 29, 2007 7:19 am)

Dang! I was lied to! My current Seville STS has 300 hp. I thought the DTS performance had 320!
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Re: How Cadillac can upset... [lemko] by sls002
Jun 29, 2007 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 29, 2007 7:25 am)

The DTS performance has the same engine as your STS, but the current horsepower rating uses the new SAE standard and has lost a few horsepower, possibly due to some emissions changes. The RWD northstar has 320 because it has variable valve timing (VVT), which the FWD northstar does not have.
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Re: I sincerely hope... [lemko] by british_rover
Jun 29, 2007 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 29, 2007 6:03 am)

Cadillac Escalade is still the King of SUVs.
 
Oh come on you can't really believe that can you?
 
It is still at its heart a Chevy/GMC truck. All other Luxury SUVs in that class or price range, except for the Navigator, are not handicapped by a plebeian mass market platform.
 
The Navigator is the exception to all of this but it is even worse then the Escalade.
 
Everything else is some for of unibody platform some with subframes.
 
Everything else is a fully independent suspension, many with standard air springs and some with standard adaptive air suspension. Many luxury SUVs now have a adaptive combination hydraulic/pneumatic suspension.
 
The only thing the Escalade has going for it is the engine which is fairly impressive but with over six liters of displacement I would hope you could get at least 400 horsepower.
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Re: How Cadillac can upset... [lemko] by fintail
Jun 29, 2007 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 29, 2007 4:32 am)

This is one thing that irks me, cheap steering wheels. I know I am not alone in this, I place some value on having a nice wheel, as I am directly in front of the thing every second I am driving the car! GM has produced some notably awful units over the years, even on pricier cars. Very clueless.

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