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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [sls002] by rockylee
Nov 27, 2006 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Nov 27, 2006 11:01 am)

Agree....I think the next STS, which BTW needs to come soon needs to be built on the Signma II platform. Buick needs to replace the FWD Lucerne with a RWDer. The LaCrosse needs to be more sporting and I'd go with a Velite styled grill. Then Buick, needs to use the Sigma II for a RWD hardtop convertible like that found from Volvo, with the C-70 and call it Velite.
 
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Re: I would say: [sls002] by lemko
Nov 27, 2006 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Nov 27, 2006 10:39 am)

If Cadillac would actually build something like the Sixteen, it would easily outclass Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Maybach, etc.
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Re: I would say: [lemko] by rockylee
Nov 27, 2006 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 27, 2006 11:45 am)

lemko, I 100% agree pal. The sixteen coupe and ULS Sedan, along with the V-12 lookin' exotic they had a few years ago would push Cadillac, to new heights. Perhaps one day we will see cars like that being built at GM.
 
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Lemko..... by rockylee
Nov 27, 2006 (12:51 pm)
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I was reading in the 07' Navigator forum of how some tried to justify why they traded in their 07' Escalade for a 07' Navigator. I'm scratching my head and can only come up with this conclusion. They are chronic car buyers. They were trying to justify their car purchase because the Escalade didn't have power running boards. Well the Navigator, doesn't have a rear view camera, so what gives. The Navigator, also doesn't have the interior quality and materials of the Slade, either. I guess if you want to get worse gas mileage, lose 103 hp. and not have a refined machine like the slade, then perhaps the swap can be justified by the few options the slade doesn't have for the many the Navigator doesn't have.
 
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Re: Lemko..... [rockylee] by lemko
Nov 27, 2006 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 27, 2006 12:51 pm)

Maybe they dig the Navigator's groovy retro '70s instrument panel?
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Standard of the World? by thomasw
Nov 27, 2006 (1:25 pm)
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"Standard of the World" implies leadership and something that everyone else (i.e., the competition) aspires to equal.
 
Given GM's record for the past 30+ years, I find it impossible to believe that its corporate culture is capable of conceiving of, much less producing, anything that is the "standard of the world."
 
Neither the UAW - or the beancounters - would ever stand for it.
 
GM aspires to mediocrity, nothing more. It is a rental car producer, in slow decline due to union expense and featherbedding coupled with short-sighted management.
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Re: I would say: [lemko] by sls002
Nov 27, 2006 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 27, 2006 11:45 am)

How would it outclass Rolls? The Rolls has a V12 with DOHCs, so a pushrod V16 is not better. The Rolls interior is wood and leather, while current Cadillacs tend to have lots of plastic. Rolls has a very long history of being a status symbol, and Cadillac would have to build a very fine Sixteen for decades to even begin matching the Rolls mystique. Cadillac simply does not have what it takes, the Eldorado Brougham of the late 50's would now be at the point of toppling the Rolls, and Mercedes would never have tried making something of the Maybach. But Cadillac dropped the Eldo Br when it was just getting started.
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Re: Standard of the World? [thomasw] by sls002
Nov 27, 2006 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: thomasw (Nov 27, 2006 1:25 pm)

I think that you have it right. GM makes good middling cars and as long as they are not overpriced, they are a good buy.
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Re: Standard of the World? [thomasw] by imidazol97
Nov 27, 2006 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: thomasw (Nov 27, 2006 1:25 pm)

>GM aspires to mediocrity, nothing more. It is a rental car producer
 
Could your negative attitude have something to do with a bad experience with Saabs?
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Re: Standard of the World? [imidazol97] by thomasw
Nov 27, 2006 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 27, 2006 1:34 pm)

Actually I had a good experience with a 2000 SAAB 9-5, which was designed before GM took full control of the company.
 
My terrible experience with a post-GM SAAB 2003 9-3 - an experience confirmed by Consumer Reports and others - did not create my poor opinion of GM, merely confirmed it.
 
I worked for a multi-franchise car dealer from 1971-1996. Among their franchises (since the lates 1980's) was Cadillac / Oldsmobile and Chevrolet.
 
What I saw was indifferent design, sloppy execution, sloppy assembly, cheesy interiors and "luck of the draw" reliability. In other words, vehicles clearly subject to beancounter final word and assembled by UAW hacks who couldn't care less, because they didn't think they had to (cheerfully oblivious as their numbers kept shrinking, their jobs being displaced by nonunion plants in the South).
 
My experience with the 9-5 prompted me to take a chance, with some trepidation, on the 9-3 / Malibu / G-6.
 
That experience taught me that not much has changed with GM since 1996, notwithstanding their current spin that they've "caught up" in quality.
 
Any quick perusal of the black dots in Consumer Reports tells the real story ...

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