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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 11:58 am) As one member of the masses, however, I'll have to weigh in with Lemko on this one. Not all of us of the masses who can afford a Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes would buy one over a Cadillac. ________________________ reference text::::::: mediapusher Apr 16, 2007 (12:58pm) I'm talking about the masses, not just one person or a few.
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Replying to: displacedtexan (Apr 16, 2007 4:00 pm) I agree with that. I've picked cars very carefully and enjoyed the making of the decision. I might choose the Lucerne model of the Cadillac again, but I certainly can pick whatever I want from the ones listed. I notice doctor's parking lots in hospitals and branch hospitals as well as certain offices (not a random survey) contain a mixture of cars mentioned along with Avalon or two and lots of GM SUVs from Chevs, GMCs, to Cadillacs.
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 10:31 am) A bit???? That's like saying your wife is a BIT pregnant!! The Catera was not a lemon. People didn't think of an Opel as a Caddy. The V8-6-4 eng was a good idea. Only problem was computers weren't fast enough to keep up with the engine. IT's a technology employed today, and it works fine. CTS sales are slowing because the body style is old and a HIGHLY regarded replacement is around the corner.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 16, 2007 4:25 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 16, 2007 5:12 pm) I look forward to that dilemma!
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Replying to: displacedtexan (Apr 16, 2007 5:59 pm)  Rocky |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Apr 16, 2007 4:32 pm) Oh my gawd :\ the humanity. Somebody shoot me now please. I can't handle this torture. :\ The V-8-6-4-tech is what caused massive defections from Cadillac. Are you aware of that? It wasn't ready for market when released, and not surprisingly was a maintenance nightmare. Apparently you're fine with GM using the U.S.A. public as "guinea pigs". In response to my earlier posts people see nothing wrong with comparing SUVs to cars. This strikes ME as strange. How anyone can sit here with a straight face and claim the Cadillac Catera  wasn't a lemon is preposterous. I'll let you WASTE your money and I'll use mine wisely. The CTS was a top selling car. It's reliability has always been average. Cadillac is fine with that  . It's not selling because of the reasons you mentioned I agree, yet Cadillac will do nothing to speed up the release schedule for spring or summer. This is NOT good marketing. And I don't have a wife, so I don't know what you're talking about. I have a husband. _______________________________ reference text:::::::::::: by cooterbfd Apr 16, 2007 (5:32 pm) Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 11:31 am) And I admit, perhaps my thinking is bit biased A bit???? That's like saying your wife is a BIT pregnant!! The Catera was not a lemon. People didn't think of an Opel as a Caddy. The V8-6-4 eng was a good idea. Only problem was computers weren't fast enough to keep up with the engine. IT's a technology employed today, and it works fine. CTS sales are slowing because the body style is old and a HIGHLY regarded replacement is around the corner.
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 16, 2007 1:08 pm) That's not how things are supposed to be done. The car should be ready for market. Management should have a well planned strategy with a pretty good idea that the car is going to sell. Cadillac should have know the Allante wouldn't sell. How many people did they ask in terms of whether they would mind spending $65,000 on a half baked idea for a Cadillac nameplate car that was put together with what seemed like every corner of the world? :\. Would you want to spend that kind of money on a car whose convertible top didn't even fit properly and also had squeaks and rattles  ? And this was back in the day when people were still silly with "buy American". That car was anything but American. It was distinctly Italian looking, because the body was Italian.
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 16, 2007 9:22 am) I don't think of Escalade when I think of Cadillac, I think of the CTS. It's what Cadillac should have been years ago. The CTS is far to late in arrival to the market. But again, that's my bias. I don't like land barges, and I never have. The new CTS seems to be inching up when it comes to length. This could or could not be a good thing. It certainly worked with the Honda Accord. But the Honda Accord is not a sports sedan/coupe. Am I the only one that thinks the new CTS looks too Eldorado retroish in the back? And I have to admit, I'm not the kind of person who buys a car cause a celebrity is driving it. It's too important of a type of purchase for me to buy just based on that. I do my research. Only rich people buy cars like that. ____________________ reference text::::::: Most people want practicality, reliability and functionality when it comes to a car. Iconic doesn't factor. I think the first generation Miata is another iconic car and I'd like to have one for the reasons you list (not so functional I suppose, but good on gas for road tripping and that's a required "function" for some of us). The Escalade is so over the top, or was when it was first adopted by the b-ball players, that I think it could qualify as a genuine icon. Before the bling dubs it had the bling badges. It's what I think of now when people say they drive a Caddy. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 16, 2007 9:22 am) To me and many others, GM cars have never had any lasting class or appeal. With their ill fitted body panels, GAPS galore, and other pieces that clearly don't fit, poor craftsmanship, faulty mechanics, no ergonomics whatsoever, pervasive aura of gaucheness, cheap and flimsy quality interiors and materials, etc... Saying GM cars have class is like saying Larry Flynt has class. Like Larry Flynt, GM cars have style, they don't have class. There's a difference. Your "I remember" intro speaks volumes. What happened 55 years ago has nothing to do with want people want today when it comes to cars. Would you buy a Model-T Ford?? Based on your logic we should all be desiring Model-T Fords. ________________________ I remember when a Pop star, Sports star or Movie star would not feel like they had made it until they had a Caddy Convertible. Not sure if any Japanese car ever had that kind of pop following. What Japanese car will bring at auction as much as the early Cadillacs are bringing. Just a run of the mill 1950s Caddy will bring $30k plus. I would consider that a collectible Icon. Corolla may be the biggest selling car in the World. When it is worn out they crush and make another one. It is no different than buying a washing machine. No class or lasting appeal.
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