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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Something that stands out?.LOL!. [aldw] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Apr 16, 2007 10:07 am)

Cadillac a top level manufacturer? LOL! Now that's the joke of the century. Sorry honey, but Cadillac isn't even on the radar of most people that can afford a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, unless they want a Cadillac Escalade. Is that Cadillac's standard of the world??? The Escalade isnt even a car, it's a truck.
 
And uhhh, excuse me, but how long ago was 1979, How long ago was 1930? You're living in the past. You're still thinking that style will conquer substance. Wrong. People don't buy cars simply based on style anymore.
 
We are talking about car sales here and what people WANT TO BUY, aren't we?? The only people worried about iconic are the ones participating in this blog with the exception of me. Ask Cadillac if they're worried about iconic. Puhleeeez.
 
Who in the hell remembers a 1930 Cadillac V-16? And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, the Cadillac Seville was not iconic. At best it was a land barge style luxury Toyota Camry.
 
Maybe if Cadillac would stop churning out such "wonders" of automotive design and engineering as the Cadillac Cimarron, Cadillac Catera , Cadillac V-8-6-4 tech engines , people would have more respect for their nameplate.
 
 You people can say what you want as if you know what you're talking about, cause it seems that many have already voted with their WALLETS, and they're not buying Cadillac.
 
All Cadillac knows how to build for the most part are "land" ocean liners, certainly not what a driving enthusiast wants. The Cadillac STS seems to be the best attempt at blending these concepts of peformance, style, size, but for some reason not many want the STS.
 
And I admit, perhaps my thinking is bit biased, but I live on the west coast (left), and apparently we think very differently. The only Cadillac I see on the road is the Cadillac CTS. It USED to sell in droves. It doesn't sell that well out here anymore, hmmmm, I wonder why that is....:\ I know the answer, and you should too.
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As lemko mentioned, these are quite iconic Caddies:
  
1930-40 Cadillac V-16s
1938-1941 Cadillac Sixty Special
1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille
1953 Cadillac Eldorado
1957-58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham
1959 Cadillacs with the big fins
1967-70 Cadillac Eldorado
1971-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
1975-79 Cadillac Seville
  
Just because you're too narrowminded doesn't make Caddy any less of a top level manufacturer.
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Re: Something that stands out?.LOL!. [mediapusher] by lemko
Apr 16, 2007 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 10:31 am)

...uh, I can afford a Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes. Cadillac is on my radar bigger than a meteor the size of Texas. I'm not interested in an Escalade or any other SUV regardless of the manufacturer.
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Re: Something that stands out?.LOL!. [lemko] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 16, 2007 11:48 am)

I'm talking about the masses, not just one person or a few
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 11:31 am)
 
...uh, I can afford a Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes. Cadillac is on my radar bigger than a meteor the size of Texas. I'm not interested in an Escalade or any other SUV regardless of the manufacturer.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [mediapusher] by poncho167
Apr 16, 2007 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 8:11 am)

They did have standout cars like your Rolls Royce back in the 1930's when they had that big 16 cylinder touring car. The Allante as you mentioned wasn't a standout car, but it did help develop important things for the Cadillacs that came after it.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [bumpy] by sls002
Apr 16, 2007 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 16, 2007 10:11 am)

The first generation Seville was a much better Cadillac than the Cimarron was. It is not unreasonable to call the Cimarron a "tarted up" Cavalier, but the first Seville was more than the Nova.
 
One could say that all Cadillac's have been little more than tarted up Chevies, which may be a valid point about the Cadillac's of the 50's and 60's, but I think that they were somewhat better than that. The Escalade is little more than a tarted up Suburban. The CTS, STS and SRX at least do not share a platform with any other GM model.
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So... by plekto
Apr 16, 2007 (1:09 pm)
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Mediapusher, give us dates and models of GM cars you owned. Tell us what the problems with each one was BESIDES STYLING OR HOW IT DROVE. Mechanical problems only.
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Re: Something that stands out?.LOL!. [mediapusher] by displacedtexan
Apr 16, 2007 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 11:58 am)

I'm sure the masses appreciate your spokespersonship, although attempting to speak for the masses does strike me as somewhat arrogant.
 
As one member of the masses, however, I'll have to weigh in with Lemko on this one. Not all of us of the masses who can afford a Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes would buy one over a Cadillac.
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I'm talking about the masses, not just one person or a few.
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Re: Something that stands out?.LOL!. [displacedtexan] by imidazol97
Apr 16, 2007 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: displacedtexan (Apr 16, 2007 4:00 pm)

>Not all of us of the masses who can afford a Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes would buy one over a Cadillac.
 
I agree with that. I've picked cars very carefully and enjoyed the making of the decision. I might choose the Lucerne model of the Cadillac again, but I certainly can pick whatever I want from the ones listed. I notice doctor's parking lots in hospitals and branch hospitals as well as certain offices (not a random survey) contain a mixture of cars mentioned along with Avalon or two and lots of GM SUVs from Chevs, GMCs, to Cadillacs.

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