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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [lemko] by punkr77
Apr 15, 2007 (11:27 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm)

I live down here on the Gulf of Mexico. I guess you could say "in" the Gulf since Galveston, TX is an Island and don't see much body rust on any cars unless they're older than 10 years or so. The exceptions to that are exhaust parts and such and any vehicle with body/paint damage (which starts to rust within days).
 
I don't even think about rust when purchasing a car anymore, especially if I'm purchasing new.
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Which cars rust away first[punkr77] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2007 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: punkr77 (Apr 15, 2007 11:27 pm)

It looks to me like Audi, VW and BMW are the only automakers that trust their rust proofing. They are double the years of the others. They should all be required to give at least a 15 year rust through warranty. Heated garages in cold climates is a big contributor to rust. If you drive your frozen Escalade into a nice warm garage the condensation will rust the car from the inside out.
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Re: Huh? [uplanderguy] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: uplanderguy (Apr 15, 2007 3:32 am)

I would not be mistating the facts on purpose. If I stand to be corrected, so be it. It sure as hell doesn't "look" American.
 
Even if it is built in the U.S.A, where do the parts come from??????
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [poncho167] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am)

If a pesron wants to stand out, they should wear one of Diana Ross' sequined gowns.
 
This mentality of STAND OUT doesn't jive in the real world. That's old school thinking. If a person wants to stand out, they can "trick" out any car with a little help from talented people like those on the TV show of MTV's "Pimp My Ride". That's for people that don't have anything else better to do than lust over their cars, or be arrogant and show off or for whose employment status it helps.
 
Most people want practicality, reliability and functionality when it comes to a car. Iconic doesn't factor.
 
Since when has Cadillac ever built anything remotely close to a Ferrari, Maserati or Rolls Royce. Those are iconic cars. I don't remember Cadillac as ever being that. The Cadillac Allante wasn't even this. It was laughable at best for reasons other than its looks.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [mediapusher] by steve_ HOST
Apr 16, 2007 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 8:11 am)

Most people want practicality, reliability and functionality when it comes to a car. Iconic doesn't factor.
 
I think the first generation Miata is another iconic car and I'd like to have one for the reasons you list (not so functional I suppose, but good on gas for road tripping and that's a required "function" for some of us).
 
The Escalade is so over the top, or was when it was first adopted by the b-ball players, that I think it could qualify as a genuine icon. Before the bling dubs it had the bling badges. It's what I think of now when people say they drive a Caddy.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [mediapusher] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2007 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 8:11 am)

I remember when a Pop star, Sports star or Movie star would not feel like they had made it until they had a Caddy Convertible. Not sure if any Japanese car ever had that kind of pop following. What Japanese car will bring at auction as much as the early Cadillacs are bringing. Just a run of the mill 1950s Caddy will bring $30k plus. I would consider that a collectible Icon.
 
Corolla may be the biggest selling car in the World. When it is worn out they crush and make another one. It is no different than buying a washing machine. No class or lasting appeal.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [mediapusher] by aldw
Apr 16, 2007 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 8:11 am)

As lemko mentioned, these are quite iconic Caddies:
 
1930-40 Cadillac V-16s
1938-1941 Cadillac Sixty Special
1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille
1953 Cadillac Eldorado
1957-58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham
1959 Cadillacs with the big fins
1967-70 Cadillac Eldorado
1971-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
1975-79 Cadillac Seville
 
Just because you're too narrowminded doesn't make Caddy any less of a top level manufacturer.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [aldw] by bumpy
Apr 16, 2007 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Apr 16, 2007 10:07 am)

Only one of those was built in my lifetime, and I don't think a tarted-up Nova is the sort of icon that Cadillac fans should be mentioning.
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Re: Something that stands out?.LOL!. [aldw] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Apr 16, 2007 10:07 am)

Cadillac a top level manufacturer? LOL! Now that's the joke of the century. Sorry honey, but Cadillac isn't even on the radar of most people that can afford a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, unless they want a Cadillac Escalade. Is that Cadillac's standard of the world??? The Escalade isnt even a car, it's a truck.
 
And uhhh, excuse me, but how long ago was 1979, How long ago was 1930? You're living in the past. You're still thinking that style will conquer substance. Wrong. People don't buy cars simply based on style anymore.
 
We are talking about car sales here and what people WANT TO BUY, aren't we?? The only people worried about iconic are the ones participating in this blog with the exception of me. Ask Cadillac if they're worried about iconic. Puhleeeez.
 
Who in the hell remembers a 1930 Cadillac V-16? And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, the Cadillac Seville was not iconic. At best it was a land barge style luxury Toyota Camry.
 
Maybe if Cadillac would stop churning out such "wonders" of automotive design and engineering as the Cadillac Cimarron, Cadillac Catera , Cadillac V-8-6-4 tech engines , people would have more respect for their nameplate.
 
 You people can say what you want as if you know what you're talking about, cause it seems that many have already voted with their WALLETS, and they're not buying Cadillac.
 
All Cadillac knows how to build for the most part are "land" ocean liners, certainly not what a driving enthusiast wants. The Cadillac STS seems to be the best attempt at blending these concepts of peformance, style, size, but for some reason not many want the STS.
 
And I admit, perhaps my thinking is bit biased, but I live on the west coast (left), and apparently we think very differently. The only Cadillac I see on the road is the Cadillac CTS. It USED to sell in droves. It doesn't sell that well out here anymore, hmmmm, I wonder why that is....:\ I know the answer, and you should too.
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As lemko mentioned, these are quite iconic Caddies:
  
1930-40 Cadillac V-16s
1938-1941 Cadillac Sixty Special
1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille
1953 Cadillac Eldorado
1957-58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham
1959 Cadillacs with the big fins
1967-70 Cadillac Eldorado
1971-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
1975-79 Cadillac Seville
  
Just because you're too narrowminded doesn't make Caddy any less of a top level manufacturer.

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