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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Union Labor [poncho167] by bumpy
Apr 15, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 5:14 am)

Corollas yes, Camrys no.
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Re: Union Labor [bumpy] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 15, 2007 5:29 am)

"Corollas yes, Camrys no."
 
Not sure I know what you mean bumpy. I did say the Camry also comes from Canada based on a news report that I saw. There are several Japanese manufactures up there.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [poncho167] by drfill
Apr 15, 2007 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am)

Corolla, Land Cruiser, and 2000GT are global icons. That's an easy one.
 
   Camry, and Supra, are American icons.
  
   Oh yeah!
 
   It would be nice if Cadillac could build a flagship sedan. Sixteen is, or was, their chance. I guess they just aren't ready to sit at the Big Table.
 
   DrFill
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [gagrice] by lemko
Apr 15, 2007 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 15, 2007 5:12 am)

I didn't think any modern cars (mid 1980s-on) still rusted like that! Is this truck near a marine environment? I imagine your son takes care of his truck. My 1988 Buick Park Avenue doesn't have a speck of rust on it and it sits out on a city street.
 
Per icons - Cadillac has MANY!!!
 
1930-40 Cadillac V-16s
1938-1941 Cadillac Sixty Special
1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille
1953 Cadillac Eldorado
1957-58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham
1959 Cadillacs with the big fins
1967-70 Cadillac Eldorado
1971-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
1975-79 Cadillac Seville
 
Shoot, I'd say just about any late 1940s through mid 1970s Cadillac can be an icon. I, personally, like the 1977-79 Cadillac DeVilles and Fleetwoods.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [lemko] by gagrice
Apr 15, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm)

He bought it used 3 1/2 years ago in Alaska. It was starting to rust through when he bought it. He just needed a cheap 4WD. I was surprised it was so bad when I saw it. All wheel wells are like that and along the bottom of the doors. Alaska is tough on vehicles. However you see a lot of GM and Ford trucks that are much older without any rust through.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [lemko] by punkr77
Apr 15, 2007 (11:27 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm)

I live down here on the Gulf of Mexico. I guess you could say "in" the Gulf since Galveston, TX is an Island and don't see much body rust on any cars unless they're older than 10 years or so. The exceptions to that are exhaust parts and such and any vehicle with body/paint damage (which starts to rust within days).
 
I don't even think about rust when purchasing a car anymore, especially if I'm purchasing new.
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Which cars rust away first[punkr77] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2007 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: punkr77 (Apr 15, 2007 11:27 pm)

It looks to me like Audi, VW and BMW are the only automakers that trust their rust proofing. They are double the years of the others. They should all be required to give at least a 15 year rust through warranty. Heated garages in cold climates is a big contributor to rust. If you drive your frozen Escalade into a nice warm garage the condensation will rust the car from the inside out.
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Re: Huh? [uplanderguy] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: uplanderguy (Apr 15, 2007 3:32 am)

I would not be mistating the facts on purpose. If I stand to be corrected, so be it. It sure as hell doesn't "look" American.
 
Even if it is built in the U.S.A, where do the parts come from??????
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [poncho167] by mediapusher
Apr 16, 2007 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am)

If a pesron wants to stand out, they should wear one of Diana Ross' sequined gowns.
 
This mentality of STAND OUT doesn't jive in the real world. That's old school thinking. If a person wants to stand out, they can "trick" out any car with a little help from talented people like those on the TV show of MTV's "Pimp My Ride". That's for people that don't have anything else better to do than lust over their cars, or be arrogant and show off or for whose employment status it helps.
 
Most people want practicality, reliability and functionality when it comes to a car. Iconic doesn't factor.
 
Since when has Cadillac ever built anything remotely close to a Ferrari, Maserati or Rolls Royce. Those are iconic cars. I don't remember Cadillac as ever being that. The Cadillac Allante wasn't even this. It was laughable at best for reasons other than its looks.
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Re: Something that stands out?.. [mediapusher] by steve_ HOST
Apr 16, 2007 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 16, 2007 8:11 am)

Most people want practicality, reliability and functionality when it comes to a car. Iconic doesn't factor.
 
I think the first generation Miata is another iconic car and I'd like to have one for the reasons you list (not so functional I suppose, but good on gas for road tripping and that's a required "function" for some of us).
 
The Escalade is so over the top, or was when it was first adopted by the b-ball players, that I think it could qualify as a genuine icon. Before the bling dubs it had the bling badges. It's what I think of now when people say they drive a Caddy.

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