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#2891 of 6098 Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [poncho167] by gagrice Apr 15, 2007 (5:12 am)
Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am) I might add that the reason you do not find many Japanese cars older than 25 years is RUST. That was the downfall of Toyota and Honda in their early years. I am told they have figured out how to prevent rust. Even my sons 1993 4Runner has horrible rust. Something about a rusty icon that is not appealing. I think Cadillac has many more Iconic vehicles than has Toyota.   Replies to this message: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm) gagrice (Apr 15, 2007 4:04 pm) punkr77 (Apr 15, 2007 11:27 pm) gagrice (Apr 16, 2007 6:36 am)
#2892 of 6098 Re: Union Labor [cooterbfd] by poncho167 Apr 15, 2007 (5:14 am)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Apr 14, 2007 6:36 am) "whereas a Camry will say "Manufactured by Toyota Motor, Lexington Ky" (I know, a technicality, but they are STILL union built)"   Or it may say built in Ontario, Canada where a good amount of the Camry's and I believe the Corolla also come from. Replies to this message: bumpy (Apr 15, 2007 5:29 am) poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 5:39 am)
#2893 of 6098 Re: Union Labor [poncho167] by bumpy Apr 15, 2007 (5:29 am)
Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 5:14 am) Corollas yes, Camrys no. Replies to this message: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 5:39 am)
#2894 of 6098 Re: Union Labor [bumpy] by poncho167 Apr 15, 2007 (5:39 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Apr 15, 2007 5:29 am) "Corollas yes, Camrys no."   Not sure I know what you mean bumpy. I did say the Camry also comes from Canada based on a news report that I saw. There are several Japanese manufactures up there.
#2895 of 6098 Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [poncho167] by drfill Apr 15, 2007 (11:02 am)
Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am) Corolla, Land Cruiser, and 2000GT are global icons. That's an easy one.      Camry, and Supra, are American icons.       Oh yeah!      It would be nice if Cadillac could build a flagship sedan. Sixteen is, or was, their chance. I guess they just aren't ready to sit at the Big Table.      DrFill
#2896 of 6098 Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [gagrice] by lemko Apr 15, 2007 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Apr 15, 2007 5:12 am) I didn't think any modern cars (mid 1980s-on) still rusted like that! Is this truck near a marine environment? I imagine your son takes care of his truck. My 1988 Buick Park Avenue doesn't have a speck of rust on it and it sits out on a city street.   Per icons - Cadillac has MANY!!!   1930-40 Cadillac V-16s 1938-1941 Cadillac Sixty Special 1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille 1953 Cadillac Eldorado 1957-58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham 1959 Cadillacs with the big fins 1967-70 Cadillac Eldorado 1971-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible 1975-79 Cadillac Seville   Shoot, I'd say just about any late 1940s through mid 1970s Cadillac can be an icon. I, personally, like the 1977-79 Cadillac DeVilles and Fleetwoods. Replies to this message: gagrice (Apr 15, 2007 4:04 pm) punkr77 (Apr 15, 2007 11:27 pm) gagrice (Apr 16, 2007 6:36 am)
#2897 of 6098 Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [lemko] by gagrice Apr 15, 2007 (4:04 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm) He bought it used 3 1/2 years ago in Alaska. It was starting to rust through when he bought it. He just needed a cheap 4WD. I was surprised it was so bad when I saw it. All wheel wells are like that and along the bottom of the doors. Alaska is tough on vehicles. However you see a lot of GM and Ford trucks that are much older without any rust through.
#2898 of 6098 Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [lemko] by punkr77 Apr 15, 2007 (11:27 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm) I live down here on the Gulf of Mexico. I guess you could say "in" the Gulf since Galveston, TX is an Island and don't see much body rust on any cars unless they're older than 10 years or so. The exceptions to that are exhaust parts and such and any vehicle with body/paint damage (which starts to rust within days).   I don't even think about rust when purchasing a car anymore, especially if I'm purchasing new. Replies to this message: gagrice (Apr 16, 2007 6:36 am)
#2899 of 6098 Which cars rust away first[punkr77] by gagrice Apr 16, 2007 (6:36 am)
Replying to: punkr77 (Apr 15, 2007 11:27 pm) It looks to me like Audi, VW and BMW are the only automakers that trust their rust proofing. They are double the years of the others. They should all be required to give at least a 15 year rust through warranty. Heated garages in cold climates is a big contributor to rust. If you drive your frozen Escalade into a nice warm garage the condensation will rust the car from the inside out.
#2900 of 6098 Re: Huh? [uplanderguy] by mediapusher Apr 16, 2007 (8:01 am)
Replying to: uplanderguy (Apr 15, 2007 3:32 am) I would not be mistating the facts on purpose. If I stand to be corrected, so be it. It sure as hell doesn't "look" American.   Even if it is built in the U.S.A, where do the parts come from?????? Replies to this message: uplanderguy (Apr 18, 2007 1:40 am)

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