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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: GM's financial mess [mediapusher] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (4:42 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 12:42 am)

"The only way GM is going to get out of this financial mess is if the get rid of union labor and I don't know how they're going to do that. Toyota and Honda don't use union labor do they? And their employees look pretty happy to me, why? Because their cars sell themselves."
 
Obviously you don't pay attention to current auto news, business reports. The latest at Toyota labor is not good in the U.S. because of Toyota's practice of hiring part-time employees to avoid labor costs/benefits. Employees are starting to complain and people are listening. Toyota is now under the watchful eye of the UAW and there has already been organized meetings that have taken place. There was an article on the autoblog a couple weeks ago on how Toyota is really worried about the unions becoming a problem for them. That is one of the reasons they build in non-union states but it looks like their running from the unions has finally caught up to them. Don't be surprised if something comes out of this in the next 6-months. Toyota has peaked and now the downfall looks just over the horizon.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [mediapusher] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (4:49 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 12:47 am)

"Are you blind? Toyota has plenty of icons. What do you call the Toyota Corolla, Camry, Land Cruiser, Toyota 4 Runner truck?"
 
Sorry to correct you again but the above cars are not icons, some are just excellent sellers. An icon (classic car) is something that stands out, something that is special and is produced at low levels not mass produced. The 1969 Toyota 2000 GT is such a car and possibly the Toyota Stout pickup truck from the 1960's as well.
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Re: Chevrolet Chevette [mediapusher] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 1:09 am)

"You're kidding right? The Chevette was a decent little car??? ewwww"
 
It wasn't a bad car either. We had the original one (1976) in our family after inheriting it from our grandmother who passed away in California. The 1976 model was supposed to be problematic for whatever that means. Other than replacing the 1 barrel carburator once or twice, it was a great econobox that returned about 30 mpg highway. I would have hate to gotten in an accident with a car this size but it always started. What I hated about it was the lack of manual transmission, AM radio, and no air-condioning. My sister and her husband took it to Ohio as a second car after they got married and had it for a few years before my sister got it broadsided, and it was losing motor power after 18-years so they retired it. A friends mom also had one in the 1980's. As far as looks it wasn't any less unattractive than the other cars out at this time.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [poncho167] by gagrice
Apr 15, 2007 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am)

I might add that the reason you do not find many Japanese cars older than 25 years is RUST. That was the downfall of Toyota and Honda in their early years. I am told they have figured out how to prevent rust. Even my sons 1993 4Runner has horrible rust. Something about a rusty icon that is not appealing. I think Cadillac has many more Iconic vehicles than has Toyota.
 
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Re: Union Labor [cooterbfd] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Apr 14, 2007 6:36 am)

"whereas a Camry will say "Manufactured by Toyota Motor, Lexington Ky" (I know, a technicality, but they are STILL union built)"
 
Or it may say built in Ontario, Canada where a good amount of the Camry's and I believe the Corolla also come from.
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Re: Union Labor [poncho167] by bumpy
Apr 15, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 5:14 am)

Corollas yes, Camrys no.
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Re: Union Labor [bumpy] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 15, 2007 5:29 am)

"Corollas yes, Camrys no."
 
Not sure I know what you mean bumpy. I did say the Camry also comes from Canada based on a news report that I saw. There are several Japanese manufactures up there.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [poncho167] by drfill
Apr 15, 2007 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 15, 2007 4:49 am)

Corolla, Land Cruiser, and 2000GT are global icons. That's an easy one.
 
   Camry, and Supra, are American icons.
  
   Oh yeah!
 
   It would be nice if Cadillac could build a flagship sedan. Sixteen is, or was, their chance. I guess they just aren't ready to sit at the Big Table.
 
   DrFill
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [gagrice] by lemko
Apr 15, 2007 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 15, 2007 5:12 am)

I didn't think any modern cars (mid 1980s-on) still rusted like that! Is this truck near a marine environment? I imagine your son takes care of his truck. My 1988 Buick Park Avenue doesn't have a speck of rust on it and it sits out on a city street.
 
Per icons - Cadillac has MANY!!!
 
1930-40 Cadillac V-16s
1938-1941 Cadillac Sixty Special
1949 Cadillac Coupe DeVille
1953 Cadillac Eldorado
1957-58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham
1959 Cadillacs with the big fins
1967-70 Cadillac Eldorado
1971-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
1975-79 Cadillac Seville
 
Shoot, I'd say just about any late 1940s through mid 1970s Cadillac can be an icon. I, personally, like the 1977-79 Cadillac DeVilles and Fleetwoods.
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [lemko] by gagrice
Apr 15, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 15, 2007 2:59 pm)

He bought it used 3 1/2 years ago in Alaska. It was starting to rust through when he bought it. He just needed a cheap 4WD. I was surprised it was so bad when I saw it. All wheel wells are like that and along the bottom of the doors. Alaska is tough on vehicles. However you see a lot of GM and Ford trucks that are much older without any rust through.

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