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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: GM Quality? What Quality?. [mediapusher] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 1:54 am)

Seats with support are not uncomfortable to us that dont have butts as wide as a double door entry to a house.
 
I think you have it just backward. The hard cardboard seats they are pushing off as sporty are built for our average citizen that has a fat cushy posterior. A fat rear end has its own built-in padding.
 
Cadillac built its reputation on plush cars with plush seats. I think it is a mistake to try and compete with automakers that strictly build sport sedans like BMW.
 
Of the new luxury SUVs I have checked out, the only seats that did not feel like they were cheap cardboard backed, was the Mercedes GL/ML. The 2007 Cadillac is headed that direction and the worst seats are in the 2007 Acura MDX. sorry Rocky. The nicest was the 2006 Escalade.
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Re: Union Labor [mediapusher] by cooterbfd
Apr 14, 2007 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 1:21 am)

Then explain the union labor that builds the Corollas, and have been since 1986. In fact, if you look at a Corolla sticker, it should say " Manufactured for Toyota by New United Motors, Fremont Ca." whereas a Camry will say "Manufactured by Toyota Motor, Lexington Ky" (I know, a technicality, but they are STILL union built)
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Re: GM Quality? What Quality?. [gagrice] by rockylee
Apr 14, 2007 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 14, 2007 6:20 am)

The seats in the 2007' Escalade I have not sat in. I'll trust your judgement on comfort.
 
Rocky
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Re: Huh? [Mr_Shiftright] by aldw
Apr 14, 2007 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 12, 2007 4:49 pm)

GM can make good profits from small cars, just not in North America at the moment.
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Re: Huh? [aldw] by imidazol97
Apr 14, 2007 (10:53 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Apr 14, 2007 10:32 am)

Can you explain more about your thinking on the profitability in NA?
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Re: Gheez [lemko] by gagrice
Apr 14, 2007 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 12, 2007 5:57 am)

Datsun Patrol? Never saw one. Do you have a picture?
 
I believe Datsun beat Toyota into the US market around 1959. The Datsun patrol was a better built vehicle than the Toyota Land Cruiser. I only had enough cash to buy the LC so I left the Datsun Patrol the the wealthier off road guys. Both were cheaper than the Jeep CJ.
 

 
PS
No Caddy off-road vehicles in 1964. Though my father in law took his Caddy 4 door sedan way out into the desert camping.
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Re: Huh? [imidazol97] by aldw
Apr 14, 2007 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 14, 2007 10:53 am)

Small cars made from GM Daewoo and Opel designs do sell quite well in other parts of the world, but GM's small car profit margin in North America isn't as high in comparison for a variety of reasons.
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Re: Huh? [mediapusher] by uplanderguy
Apr 15, 2007 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 1:27 am)

Man, no offense, but somebody who thinks the Cobalt is a Korean car shouldn't be posting anything about GM! This is basic information at the lowest level. The car is built in Lordstown, OH, a GM plant in northeast Ohio that has been open for 41 years.
 
Bill P.
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Re: Huh? [mediapusher] by poncho167
Apr 15, 2007 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 14, 2007 1:27 am)

"Pletko, as far as I know, GM outsources the manufacturing of most of the small cars you see with their nameplate on them."
 
What are you talking about. Obviously this is something you don't know. The Aveo (Korean-Daewoo) is the only so-called outsourced car for a small car. It was designed in Italy, now how does that through you off. If you want to talk about outsourcing you have to put Toyota in front of that comment. The GTO and Prizm are not even made anymore. The Prizm was a compact car from Toyota just like the Chevy Nova was before it, and the GTO is a mid-sized car from Holden of Australia. The previously imported GTO wasn't a joke in anyway according to the magazine writers, and with its price was the best bang for the buck with more performance than its closest rival Ford Mustang. I am surprised mediapusher that you didn't like that car. It had the usual Japanese car look so I would think you would have liked it. I personally didn't like it because I owned an original 1960's GTO that I sold a couple years ago so yes, I didn't care for Pontiac putting a GTO name on a car with no heritage resemblance.

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