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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Union Labor [poncho167] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:21 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 13, 2007 1:35 pm)

Then maybe they need to stop hiring union workers and change the structure of their work force.
 
Our economy can no longer sustain union labor. Unions are what got GM into this mess in the first place. That's why they produce cars that scream cheap, no matter what the price point
 
If Unions hadn't gotten greedy it would be different.
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by poncho167 Apr 13, 2007 (2:35 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Apr 13, 2007 8:27 am)
 
Unlike the Cavaliar I am sure they make money on the Cobalt, G5, and HHR though a small amount compared to the non-unionized Japanese plants. It costs GM almost $3,500 a car in employee wages, health insurance so profitability is not much on a small low priced car.
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Re: Huh? [poncho167] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:27 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 12, 2007 1:21 pm)

Pletko, as far as I know, GM outsources the manufacturing of most of the small cars you see with their nameplate on them.
 
For example: The Chevrolet Aveo is made in South Korea. The Geo Prizm/Chevrolet Prizm were just cosmetically engineered Toyota Corollas. They rolled off the same factory line in Fremont, California. They succeeded in messin' up one of Australia's Holden cars, otherwise known as the "new" Pontiac GTO (What a joke), let's hope they don't do the same with the new Holden car (Pontiac G8) I don't know where the Cobalt is made, but I doubt if they make that either.I think the Cobalt is a Korean car too. I think they make the Cavalier, I don't know.
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Re: GM can't make profit on small cars.. [plekto] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:30 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 12, 2007 1:24 pm)

I agree. They fail at it because it costs them more to make a small car than what the car is worth at retail when you factor in their ridiculous overhead and liability. They should stick to making what they know best, and that is "land barges" like the DTS and SUVs
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My point was more that every time Gm tries to make a small car, they tend to fail at it. They just don't understand it on a fundamental level or something.
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Re: GM's financial mess [exalteddragon1] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:42 am)
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Replying to: exalteddragon1 (Apr 12, 2007 12:35 pm)

The only way GM is going to get out of this financial mess is if the get rid of union labor and I don't know how they're going to do that. Toyota and Honda don't use union labor do they? And their employees look pretty happy to me, why? Because their cars sell themselves
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Re: Toyota has no icons??.. [gagrice] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:47 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2007 4:17 pm)

Are you blind? Toyota has plenty of icons. What do you call the Toyota Corolla, Camry, Land Cruiser, Toyota 4 Runner truck?
 
The Corolla has been so successful, GM asked Toyota to make some for them under contract as Geo Prizms and Chevrolet Prizms, and the Corolla has sold more than 30million units since it's inception in the 1960's
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Re: GM Quality? What Quality?. [imidazol97] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:54 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 11, 2007 4:06 pm)

Why is having fake wood trim so important to you? Those kinds of things aren't important to people who like and buy Hondas or BMW's. I've heard the same thing from one of my friends who always buys American (he's pushing 70 years of age) He said the interior of Asian cars is too plain. You guys like style over substance. Fancy interior trim detracts your eyes from what you should be looking at --- THE ROAD. That's why the interior of BMW's don't look fancy either
 
And not all of us are built like Humpty Dumpty. Seats with support are not uncomfortable to us that dont have butts as wide as a double door entry to a house.
 
The seats are hard like lawn chairs to keep you from falling asleep on long trips. Seats in cars aren't supposed to be like the interior of caskets (apparently what you like) ...very old fashioned :\
 
You can have your fake wood trim and recliner soft seats. As a driver I want good support with seats and non distracting trip
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Re: American Regions... [gagrice] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (12:59 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2007 4:08 pm)

You know as well as I know, that when people say American in the U.S.A., they are talking about the U.S.A. and only want it to mean U.S.A. I'm not saying I condone this culture of terminology, but that's how it is.
 
I am well aware that "American" encompasses all of the regions you mentioned
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Re: The Harley Davidson Model [lokki] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (1:05 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Apr 12, 2007 11:46 am)

Puhleeeez, you couldn't give me a Harley-Davidson. I'll stick to a Yamaha, Honda or Kawasaki when it comes to motorcyles.
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Re: Chevrolet Chevette [cooterbfd] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (1:09 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Apr 12, 2007 3:11 pm)

You're kidding right? The Chevette was a decent little car??? ewwww
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Re: The expense of cars these days [rockylee] by mediapusher
Apr 14, 2007 (1:12 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 11, 2007 9:49 am)

Rocky--
 
Why buy new? Buy used, Buy at auction, and save yourself $25,000. Cars are bad investments anyway.

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