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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: ... [plekto] by louiswei
Apr 09, 2007 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 09, 2007 12:32 pm)

No, it won't slip a bit. As matter of fact its image will stay where it is with the additional capability to lure in younger buyers.
 
The new CTS won't help to raise Caddy's image because its flagship is still the pathetic DTS.
 
Caddy will be in the win-"no loss" situation with an entry model serves as the 3er/C fighter. Move the CTS up to mid size (which the new one apparently is) and redesign the next STS to be its flagship.
 
Then what happen to the DTS you ask? I got two words for you: Buick Lucerne.
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Here's an interesting quote: by lokki
Apr 09, 2007 (12:50 pm)
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While digging through the Time Magazine archives for the Cadillac articles I quoted in my post above, I stumbled across this article
 
The Rattles in the Engine
G.M.'s Chevrolet division has been in trouble for some time, and last July G.M. turned it over to ex-Pontiac Boss Elliott ("Pete") Estes for some quick fixes. Chevy's styling was a bit bulgy, and its workmanship gave rise to widespread customer complaints about ill-fitting upholstery, rattling doors and leaking windows. Estes visited every one of Chevy's assembly plants, test-drove cars straight off the assembly line, and ordered repairs on the spot.
 
Quality control is an old and chronic industry headache. Ford, which works at quality control more conscientiously than any other automaker, has 11,000 people directly concerned with it. There are up to 15,000 parts per car, and some of them have as many as 100 "critical" characteristics. Human error is as inevitable as sin. Ford had to recall 3,218 cars to correct "brake-fluid contamination" because one worker confused a brown barrel of windshield-washer fluid with a yellow barrel of brake fluid. The company thought it had ironed out bugs in the electrical system by teaching workers to marry red wires with red wires and black with black and then had to repair many cars because an assembler was colorblind. It is a fact widely recognized in the industry that cars made on Mondays are prone to defects. Reason: plant absenteeism runs high on that day, and managers are obliged to put second-string men on the line.

 
Care to guess the year? 1966
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Re: ... [louiswei] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 09, 2007 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 09, 2007 11:13 am)

Bingo! A 3 series sporty Cadillac coupe/sedan will get the younger buyer in earlier to the Cadillac family.
 
This is exactly what Toyota does...they walk you in from your first car as a college kid, your $12,000 Scion, up to your first young family sedan, your Camry, and as you prosper up through your Lexus 300 series to your ultimate Benz/Cadillac/BMW equivalent, your Lexus 460. Toyota is also clever enough to badge their cars as Lexus at the certain price point where "entry-level luxury" starts.
 
Besides, Cadillac is already at the other luxury makes "entry-level" price point. It's already "cheap". What it isn't, is sporty or youthful in its products (yet).
 
Cheapest BMW -- $32,400 MSRP
 
Cheapest Lexus 33,470
 
Cheapest Cadillac $29,825
 
Cheapest Benz -- $29,650
 
So the idea would be to convince a young buyer that a Cadillac can be exciting to drive, and then work them up the ladder as they prosper.
 
Or, a second strategy would be the Lexus approach, where you get outstanding reliability and luxury for a good price. By "outstanding", that means better than anyone else, not 3rd or 5th.
 
I think Lexus has won the Longterm Dependability Award for what....12 years in a row, something like that?
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I'll give you the year on this one: May 1971 by lokki
Apr 09, 2007 (1:00 pm)
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BEFORE the Oil Shock by two years:
 
President Nixon has long been worried that the U.S. is losing out in world markets because domestic labor costs are inflating so fast and kicking prices up so high. With that in mind, he stretched his usual hands-off approach to private pricing matters just a bit last week and called into the White House leaders of the two sides in the current steel-labor negotiations. He gave them both an innocuous pep talk, urging them to make a settlement that would allow the steel industry to remain at least somewhat competitive in the world. Budget Chief George Shultz assured newsmen that the President "wasn't trying to tell them what to settle for." The Administration is resigned to a steel deal that will push up labor costs by at least 10% a year—and give workers in other industries another inflationary target to aim for.
 
Several key indicators show just how badly these inflationary settlements are hurting the U.S. Items: > Steel imports in May hit1,800,000 tons—an amount equal to 16% of the nation's overall steel market. The total was the second highest in history, topped only in August 1968, when customers were also hedging against a strike. > Sales of imported cars in June surged to a historic high of 149,000, capturing 16.1% of the U.S. market, or well over one-quarter more than a year ago. In the year's first six months, sales of Volkswagens dipped slightly to 289,000, but that decline was more than made up by the incredible rise of Japanese cars. Toyotas rode up 57%, to 140,000 cars sold, and Datsuns jumped 136%, to 99,000. Japanese cars are selling fast because of high quality and low price, and their manufacturers benefit notably from the relatively moderate cost of Japanese steel (automaking steel sells for an average of $156 a ton in Japan v. $200 a ton in the U.S.).

 
What U.S. Producers are up against
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Re: Well.. [gagrice] by poncho167
Apr 09, 2007 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 09, 2007 9:15 am)

These are the people who probably have issues but either don't want to mention it, or Toyota tells them it is normal breakage/maintenance.
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Re: Well.. [gagrice] by imidazol97
Apr 09, 2007 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 09, 2007 9:15 am)

That LS400 should have good reliability. There's nothing left to fail that hasn't been replaced? No wonder Lexus does well on reliability-you already replaced everything!
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Re: Well.. [poncho167] by gagrice
Apr 09, 2007 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 09, 2007 1:10 pm)

If you don't mind squeaks, rattles, stalling on the freeway, sludge, defective brakes now and then, buy a Toyota. All problems that dealers have looked at and told the owners it was normal. These all from posts here on Edmund's. We still have not heard from a Caddy owner with a problem in the last 5 years. They all must be out on the road with a big grin on their face. While those with Toyotas are busy GM bashing, while their car is in the shop.
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Re: Well.. [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 09, 2007 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 09, 2007 1:19 pm)

To quote Abe Lincoln when told by his cabinet that General Grant was a no-good drunk, he replied: "Then give all the other generals whatever he's been drinking".
 
Maybe GM should install sludge at the factory? It might help sales, if it works for Toyota
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Caddy yes, Lexus NO!!.. [imidazol97] by gagrice
Apr 09, 2007 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 09, 2007 1:17 pm)

The engine and transmission are rock solid. It was struts, brakes, leaky valve covers, gas gauge module, airbag sensor, water pump, rear view mirror etc etc. Yes $1200 to replace a defective rear view mirror. $1200 to replace a gas gauge sending module. I think I will scan them all in and post on my Carspace. For those that think that Lexus is perfection. Just turned 88k miles. I believe she had under 10k miles when the 3 year warranty ran out. That's when they start getting those $$$$ in their eyes at a ToyLex dealer.
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Re: Well.. [Mr_Shiftright] by gagrice
Apr 09, 2007 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 1:27 pm)

You deny that Toyota covered up a serious steering issue last year on close to a million vehicles? Why are they exempt from your wrath?
I have not figured out your angle yet. I am just here to keep you GM Bashers at bay until Rocky gets back online
 
I cannot imagine myself plunking down my cash on a Lexus or Cadillac sedan. I just like the local Caddy dealer as much as I despise the Lexus dealer. That and Escalade is much roomier, tows more, hauls more, gets better mileage and is a LOT faster than the LX470. Oh, and not as overpriced. The Escalade could be considered the "Standard of Excellence" in SUVs.

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