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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: I still don't understand.... [sls002] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 09, 2007 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Apr 09, 2007 5:18 am)

I think the point is that regardless of how far in the past all this happened, the media is still featuring it in books, commentaries and magazine articles, so GM still has to deal with Cadillac's past even if the car is nothing like it was in the past. Think of the Cimarron as Richard Nixon rebabilitated as a Buddhist monk doing good works. He still has Richard Nixon's reputation to deal with, reborn though it might be. (silly analogy but you get the idea).
 
The Corvair was a horrible mistake and so was the Cimarron---I can only hope GM learns from its mistakes and better yet, learrs how to RESPOND to its mistakes (which are inevitable in business). What else could we wish for a company's future?
 
As for Cadillac:
 
1. Keep hammering away at the "old man" image. Track down and arrest dealers who sell landau bars and vinyl roofs.
 
2. Build a BMW 3-Series competitor. This is your "entry-level" Cadillac for new buyers
 
3. Ditch the XLR and use its resources elsewhere
 
4. Build a highly credible flagship car but not "over the top".
 
5. Conduct a massive re-organization of the Cadillac service network.
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Re: Is there a standard in the World [poncho167] by andres3
Apr 09, 2007 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 06, 2007 11:10 am)

Very funny, but last I looked Toyota was like #15 in vehicle reliabilty, and that is based on 2006 models. Buick and Cadillac both bested Toyota, while Lexus was at the top with Porsche and the other two mentioned.
 
Last you looked where or at what misinformation?
 
Toyota still has all the red circles anyone could ask for, for all of their many models. Porsche is not known for anything but black circles when it comes to reliability.
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Re: Well.. [plekto] by andres3
Apr 09, 2007 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 06, 2007 6:29 pm)

been in the shop once in its life for a broken sensor, which is pretty routine on a car with almost 80K miles on it.
 
Uh, routine for domestic cars maybe. If my Japanese Honda or Toyota didn't get to 100K miles w/o costing me a penny other than regular maintenance, I'd be pissed.
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Re: I still don't understand.... [Mr_Shiftright] by nwng
Apr 09, 2007 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 8:46 am)

should double the jail time for dealers who install the bars and roofs on CTS. Triple time if the roof installed was white.
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Re: I still don't understand.... [nwng] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 09, 2007 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: nwng (Apr 09, 2007 9:05 am)

This kind of nonsense just murders Cadillac's image. If this is an infringement on free enterprise, it would be worth it for GM to buy all the dealer's stock in vinyl roofs and stick-on landau bars and burn them.
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Re: Great..It is Great ....... [plekto] by andres3
Apr 09, 2007 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 07, 2007 8:26 am)

My guess is that your bad GM cars were all over a decade ago and you're living in the past.
 
Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them!
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Re: Well.. [andres3] by gagrice
Apr 09, 2007 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: andres3 (Apr 09, 2007 9:01 am)

You are very lucky. I have receipts for about $18k in repairs and maintenance on our LS400 and it only has 88K miles. I won't even bother you with the horror stories on the 1964 Toyota LC, 1978 Honda Accord and 1995 Toyota PU truck. I'll take my GM domestics any day of the week. You would think with all these GM bashers we would get one that had a Cadillac that caused them problems in the last 5 years. Not their aunts 3rd cousin removed that was married to their sister.
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Re: History gives us a clue [rockylee] by andres3
Apr 09, 2007 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 07, 2007 10:57 am)

I agree....It's like buying a electronic device or an appliance. If the company stands behind it that means it must be good.
 
I'd agree to a certain point. If a company has historically for a long period of time stood behind it's product then it means it must be good. Since GM has only recently offered a "decent" warranty (the bumper to bumper coverage still sucks, for lack of a better word) then its really just a marketing gimmick.
 
Wait 10 years from now and see if the warranty remains the same.
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The past by imidazol97
Apr 09, 2007 (9:15 am)
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Too often is only of Cadillac and GM's past.
 
Let's have people post about Hondas and Toyotas from their first years here. I can start with the 70s, early 80s model a buddy had in Charleston with CVCC that required premium, quit running if you hit water on the road in rain, showed rusting real fast, jumped to the next lane when you accelerated quickly in a lower gear due to torque steer.
 
Sometimes our views are tunneled without the broad view that lots of these cars had problems. Even today I can list a bunch of Camry discussions with _lots_ of problems, right here,now, on Edmunds, live. A couple-a-years-ago it was the Avalon. Even CR had to downgrade their rating with a small comment and a picture on the bottom of a page.
 
Cars do change. Hopefully they improve.
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Re: If a car doesn't break [imidazol97] by andres3
Apr 09, 2007 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 07, 2007 4:16 pm)

I think the main and single reason Toyota and Honda won't Beef up their warranties is because their dealers don't want them to. There are a lot of idiots out there willing to spend an extra 1K to 1.5K on extended warranties for Honda and Toyotas that will NEVER need them. Since dumb people are high in number in this country and are willing to pay extra $$$ dollars for extended warranties that will cost Honda and Toyota nothing to provide; it's basically pure 100% profit for the dealer and Toyota and Honda.
 
The dealers probably make more profit from having this exist than they can afford (or at least) want to lose. They will not let Honda raise their warranties "for free" for this purpose.

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