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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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#2690 of 6098 Re: I still don't understand.... [gagrice] by imidazol97 Apr 08, 2007 (6:12 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Apr 08, 2007 5:52 pm) >GM was the largest corporation in the World   If I recall correctly GM was hated by the hippies because it was the 9th largest country in the world in terms of GNP or some term like that. CR hated them because of, well, just because, I guess. They could do no right. Anything from another country was wonderful. Everyone should be driving econoboxes to save the environment. And the beat still goes on... bong...bong...bong... Replies to this message: gagrice (Apr 08, 2007 7:59 pm)
#2691 of 6098 Re: History gives us a clue [rockylee] by 62vetteefp Apr 08, 2007 (7:56 pm)
Replying to: rockylee (Apr 08, 2007 5:26 am) 2006 3 year VDS-Hyundai well below industry averge.   2006 initial quality-Hyundai #3 behind Porsche and then Lexus. This bodes well for Hyundai in the future. Great improvement.
#2692 of 6098 Re: I still don't understand.... [imidazol97] by gagrice Apr 08, 2007 (7:59 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 08, 2007 6:12 pm) Ralph Nader was part of CR at the time. He was spewing out his anti Corvair crappola. I liked the Corvair. It was a good move to bring down the size of cars. That was not good enough for the likes of some folks. It handled better than many of the cars built today by Toyota and Honda.   GM was not lily white by any stretch. They were a big greedy company. I got news for folks. Toyota is a big greedy company. At least GM workers in this country will have a decent retirement, until Toyota drags them into the dirt.
#2693 of 6098 Re: History gives us a clue [Mr_Shiftright] by 62vetteefp Apr 08, 2007 (7:59 pm)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 08, 2007 8:08 am) But I wouldn't buy GM stock either. I have zero faith in GM management at this point.   That was the talk a little over a year ago here. I have doubled my money in one year and plan to double again in another year.   Again, as I have said before, the press and comments here are about a year behind. Yes it was bad a year ago but the turnaround is happening and will be much better in one year.
#2694 of 6098 Re: I still don't understand.... [Mr_Shiftright] by sls002 Apr 09, 2007 (5:18 am)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 08, 2007 8:50 am) I will be sixty this month, so I will let you decide if I was old enough. However, I did buy a new 83 Buick J-car, the Skyhawk. I bought it for 3 basic reasons: 1) got better fuel economy than the 78 Olds Diesel I had; 2) had digital electronic fuel injection; 3) had automatic climate control. I also got the 1.8 OHC engine. The Cimarron would have had a leather interior, which the Skyhawk did not have. The Cimarron did not have automatic climate control.   I have in my hand a September 1985 Road & Track, a magazine you are somewhat familiar with I think. There is an article titled Cimarron update. Their consensous opinion: "It's a well appointed small Cadillac" - "love it or leave it on that basis" Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 8:46 am) nwng (Apr 09, 2007 9:05 am) Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 9:08 am)
#2695 of 6098 Re: I still don't understand.... [sls002] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Apr 09, 2007 (8:46 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Apr 09, 2007 5:18 am) I think the point is that regardless of how far in the past all this happened, the media is still featuring it in books, commentaries and magazine articles, so GM still has to deal with Cadillac's past even if the car is nothing like it was in the past. Think of the Cimarron as Richard Nixon rebabilitated as a Buddhist monk doing good works. He still has Richard Nixon's reputation to deal with, reborn though it might be. (silly analogy but you get the idea).   The Corvair was a horrible mistake and so was the Cimarron---I can only hope GM learns from its mistakes and better yet, learrs how to RESPOND to its mistakes (which are inevitable in business). What else could we wish for a company's future?   As for Cadillac:   1. Keep hammering away at the "old man" image. Track down and arrest dealers who sell landau bars and vinyl roofs.   2. Build a BMW 3-Series competitor. This is your "entry-level" Cadillac for new buyers   3. Ditch the XLR and use its resources elsewhere   4. Build a highly credible flagship car but not "over the top".   5. Conduct a massive re-organization of the Cadillac service network. Replies to this message: nwng (Apr 09, 2007 9:05 am) Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 9:08 am)
#2696 of 6098 Re: Is there a standard in the World [poncho167] by andres3 Apr 09, 2007 (8:47 am)
Replying to: poncho167 (Apr 06, 2007 11:10 am) Very funny, but last I looked Toyota was like #15 in vehicle reliabilty, and that is based on 2006 models. Buick and Cadillac both bested Toyota, while Lexus was at the top with Porsche and the other two mentioned.   Last you looked where or at what misinformation?   Toyota still has all the red circles anyone could ask for, for all of their many models. Porsche is not known for anything but black circles when it comes to reliability. Replies to this message: mediapusher (Apr 11, 2007 2:26 pm) andres3 (Apr 11, 2007 3:13 pm)
#2697 of 6098 Re: Well.. [plekto] by andres3 Apr 09, 2007 (9:01 am)
Replying to: plekto (Apr 06, 2007 6:29 pm) been in the shop once in its life for a broken sensor, which is pretty routine on a car with almost 80K miles on it.   Uh, routine for domestic cars maybe. If my Japanese Honda or Toyota didn't get to 100K miles w/o costing me a penny other than regular maintenance, I'd be pissed. Replies to this message: gagrice (Apr 09, 2007 9:15 am) poncho167 (Apr 09, 2007 1:10 pm) gagrice (Apr 09, 2007 1:19 pm) and 74 more... imidazol97 (Apr 09, 2007 1:17 pm) gagrice (Apr 09, 2007 1:28 pm) and 11 more...
#2698 of 6098 Re: I still don't understand.... [Mr_Shiftright] by nwng Apr 09, 2007 (9:05 am)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 8:46 am) should double the jail time for dealers who install the bars and roofs on CTS. Triple time if the roof installed was white. Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 09, 2007 9:08 am)
#2699 of 6098 Re: I still don't understand.... [nwng] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Apr 09, 2007 (9:08 am)
Replying to: nwng (Apr 09, 2007 9:05 am) This kind of nonsense just murders Cadillac's image. If this is an infringement on free enterprise, it would be worth it for GM to buy all the dealer's stock in vinyl roofs and stick-on landau bars and burn them.

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