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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Fit and Finish/ Durability [Mr_Shiftright] by imidazol97
Apr 06, 2007 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 06, 2007 5:01 pm)

How did Arizona get into this anyhow? Is there some hidden context I missed?
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Re: Buick and Cadillac Bested Toyota?? [mediapusher] by lemko
Apr 06, 2007 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 2:44 pm)

A Lexus LS handles just like my old Park Avenue. I took a Lexus LS430 out for a test drive expecting some kind of epiphany due to all the hype. Heck, it felt and handled just like a Buick - nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Is there a standard in the World [gagrice] by cooterbfd
Apr 06, 2007 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 06, 2007 7:32 am)

If GM built cars in China (Especially the high end Buick and Caddilac models) I think there would be TREMENDOUS backlash from the public. Not talking about importing parts to be assembled here, but importing whole cars. Autoblog had a post about GM's Chinese design studios may design future Buicks because of their popularity there, and most of the posters were upset, because they felt the next logical step would be to just bring the Chinese Buicks here, because it would be cheaper, and nobody liked that idea. This is why the major foreign companies opened up shop here: so people would be able to overcome the fact they "bought foreign" when in fact these cars are assembled right here. Look at the money Toyota spent advertising the Tundra being built in Texas, totally ignoring the fact that a lot of Tundras are built in Indiana (after all what's more American than Texas ). The foreign companies want us to know they make it here with OUR labor, not theirs. Small, cheap cars are on the fringe and companies can get away with importing them. Even Hyundai makes it's more expensive cars here.
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Re: Durability [Mr_Shiftright] by mediapusher
Apr 06, 2007 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 06, 2007 5:01 pm)

At that rate your car should last about 8 years before you have to buy a new clutch?? If you're driving an auto-tranny I don't know how long the transmission will last, because I like stick shift and have always tried to buy that way
 
I had to replace my transmission at 160,000 miles, but I was driving 300 miles a day. I drive a Toyota Corolla
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Re: Durability [mediapusher] by snakeweasel
Apr 06, 2007 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 5:43 pm)

At that rate your car should last about 8 years before you have to buy a new clutch??
 
Well that would depend on how much city stop and go driving he does. Someone like me driving in the traffic we have here I seriously doubt I could get half that on a clutch in my daily drive.
 
I had to replace my transmission at 160,000 miles,
 
I had a Chevy that went almost 300K miles on the same tranny. that is until the guy who bought it from me "accidently" put it in reverse going 60 MPH.
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Re: Buick Cadillac ride vs Lexus [lemko] by mediapusher
Apr 06, 2007 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Apr 06, 2007 5:08 pm)

Perhaps it does,but a Lexus is still a better buy than a Cadillac, by far.
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Re: Buick Cadillac ride vs Lexus [mediapusher] by snakeweasel
Apr 06, 2007 (5:53 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 5:51 pm)

I would hazard to guess that that would depend on the person doing the buying.
 
Personally if you gave me a Lexus I would crush it into a cube and send it back to you COD.
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Re: Durability [snakeweasel] by mediapusher
Apr 06, 2007 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 06, 2007 5:51 pm)

Snakeweasel-
Keep in mind I have a $7,000 Toyota Corolla (that's what I paid for it) That amount of miles to me is a what you'd find on most ten year old cars, so the fact I had to replace the tranny at 160,000, I don't think is too bad. And damn, I drove that car hard. I tortured it with driving. 300 miles per day is too much for a car like mine. I have not had anything weird go wrong with the car, like brake manifolds falling off or water pump failing, or head gaskets blowing, etc...crankshaft suddenly falling, etc..
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Re: Durability [mediapusher] by gagrice
Apr 06, 2007 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 5:58 pm)

The money you have saved driving that Corolla that far, should allow you to buy a new LS460 cash. If I had that kind of luck with a Toyota I would be a fan also. Of the 4 Toyotas I have been involved with none were close to that reliable. Luck of the draw I guess.
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Re: Cadillac vs Lexus [snakeweasel] by mediapusher
Apr 06, 2007 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 06, 2007 5:53 pm)

Well perhaps some people need to open their mind and get over their prejudice. I'd be the first one in line to buy GM cars if they didn't insult my intelligence and if they were worth the money, but apparently GM doesn't care about the quality of the cars they build for the U.S.A. market, for whatever reason. I don't really understand why.
 
Just the idea that people are so heated about how well Lexus can compete with Mercedes and totally jumps over Cadillac says leaps and bounds about Lexus in a positive way and leaps and bounds about Cadillac in a negative way. Lexus has only been around since 1990 (a mere 17 years) Cadillac has been around for 100 years and still can't compete
 
I realize Lexus is actually Toyota, however their luxury division has only been around as we know it for 17 years.
GM has been faced with serious competition for twice that amount of time and still can't compete --so it goes beyond the fact they make bad products...

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