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#2532 of 6195 Quality Still Not Up to Par
Apr 04, 2007 (7:02 pm)
I was going to rent a Cadillac STS last weekend for a drive to San Diego but there were none available. So I rented a Chevrolet Impala with 6,000 miles on it. There have been complaints that my posts on this discussion group board regarding the quality of GM's products are delusional because gee, GM has changed for the better--- NOT. LOL!
After driving that piece of junk they call the Chevrolet Impala, I can see that very little if anything has changed when it comes to GM's sloppy craftsmanship and engineering, if that's what you want to call it. Below is a critique of things I noticed about the car:
1. Loose fitting body panels on the exterior and interior of the automobile
2. Serious problems with weight distribution and car body lean. This makes the car difficult to maneuver and handle. I'm 6'1 185lbs ok, so I know the weight shifting wasn't because of me.
3. "Retarded" lumbar support that focused on middle of back instead of small of back
4. Seats otherwise had no support and their ergonomics were terrible.
5. An annoying and noisy exhaust system that sounded similar to a crocodile mating call.
6. Flimsy and cheap hollow plastic finish on the interior. This was especially noticeable on the door locks.
The form and fit seemed ok this time. That was a shock.
7. The trunk axles had plastic sheaths on them...:\ Why?
Uhh people, I don't know what you call this, but this is not world class. It's mediocre at best. GM probably doesn't know how to build a precision crafted automobile like it's competition can. This car is supposed to compete with a Honda Accord sedan. There are some people that like the Chevrolet Impala and the other stuff that GM makes, fine. The Impala is one of GM's better selling automobiles; but don't try and convince me that the stuff GM makes is world class, because it just isn't true.
What really puzzles me is that GM makes fine stuff in other countries like China and Australia. I was visiting my kin in Australia last year, so I know what I'm talking about. Holden is the "Toyota" of Australia. Their cars are great. This leads me to believe that Holden is GM only because of an acquisition, however I could be wrong.
I've noticed the cheap interior of the current Cadillac CTS. I haven't had the opportunity to test drive this car. I've heard it drives nicely. But's what's with the embarrassingly cheap interior?-- almost to the point where it becomes offensive. That is not world class. World class means performing on a fine level in all categories and being made of fine or decent materials..It should at least be a "man-made diamond" and not "cubic zirconia"
It doesn't matter that the soon to be released 2008 CTS's interior is better, because the interior details are something that should not have been missed with the earlier models. These are the points that GM constantly misses.
Someone like me (and there are millions) isn't likely to buy a GM car even if their quality gets up to par, because of the massive ways they've exploited consumers of the U.S.A. in the past. After test driving the Chevrolet Impala on April 1st, 2007, now, it's really personal, however it's been personal for a long time.
Apr 04, 2007 (9:37 pm)
The first generation Lexus IS was actually a cosmetically engineered Toyota Corolla, and this was grotesquely noticeable. While the emotions you note seem to have a certain snobbish appeal, I'd have to agree with your marketing point. Toyota wants to be in all markets cause it means more cash in their pocket, hence the gross first generation Lexus IS
I know when we parked next to one of those Yugo looking little IS hatchbacks my wife could not believe how far Lexus had gone down hill. In her eyes that was what Lexus was now selling and she wanted nothing to do with them. She has all the money.
#2536 of 6195 Re: Is there a standard in the World [louiswei]
Apr 04, 2007 (9:51 pm)
"The 3, 5 and 7 series have cheapened the BMW line."
The new 6 and 7 series BMWs are so UGLY. I can't believe it. What were their designers smoking??? They remind me of that song, It sings like this---> (They call you MR. personality because you're so UGLY.....) except with the BMWs 6 and 7 series I would substitute the words like this....They say that it has personality because it's so ugly, it's so ugly!.....
#2537 of 6195 Re: Quality Still Not Up to Par [mediapusher]
Apr 05, 2007 (2:35 am)
"don't try and convince me "
#2538 of 6195 Re: Lexus Crap [mediapusher]
Apr 05, 2007 (3:22 am)
The first generation Lexus IS was nothing more than a cosmetically engineered Toyota Corolla.
Toyota Altezza. The IS300 was a good car (except for being 500 pounds too heavy), but a sport-oriented 3-series fighter didn't fit with what Lexus was in the late '90s.
#2539 of 6195 Re: Quality Still Not Up to Par [mediapusher]
Apr 05, 2007 (4:29 am)
We would have been surprised if you had liked the base Impala.
#2540 of 6195 Re: Is there a standard in the World [gagrice]
Apr 05, 2007 (1:04 pm)
I was taken aback too when I saw a Cheapo Mercedes. The problem is, Mercedes got greedy. In the late 80's and early 90's they for the most part, priced themselves out of the U.S.A. market. That's when you started seeing advertisements presented for them by Cybill Shepherd on television.
Lexus is Toyota's answer for MB and BMW
That may be true. Though I don't remember BMW being very popular in the 1980s. I was taken back the first time I saw a cheapo Mercedes. Maybe MB needed to start a cheap car company to compete with Toyota. Or Maybe that is why they bought Chrysler. I don't see Cadillac in that mix. The only reason I even gave Cadillac a second thought was my search for the nicest SUV. I found their cars to be a lot nicer than my last Cadillac, a 1948 4 door with a big flathead V8 engine.
#2541 of 6195 Re: Quality Still Not Up to Par [imidazol97]
Apr 05, 2007 (1:11 pm)
Then how does the Impala sell so well, if even you would be surprised if I liked it? That car is supposed to compete with a Honda Accord? The surprising thing is, that according to GM it does compete and very well with it's competition. I believe them.
Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 04, 2007 8:02 pm)
We would have been surprised if you had liked the base Impala.