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#2302 of 6195 Are the 2007 models as good as the 2006?
Mar 26, 2007 (6:31 pm)
I just went in to my local Cadillac dealer. Real nice salesman. Went through all the finer points of the SRX and Escalade. I am in agreement with several owners of the new Escalade. The seats are TOO hard. The 2007 Escalade has some great features and drives like a dream car. The SRX has the neatest moonroof. Opens up way back. The SRX felt a bit cramped to me. Not what I would want in an SUV.
He has a 2006 Escalade and the seats are much nicer than the new one. It is in White Diamond and about $20,000 less than a new one. The salesman was very honest about the sales being off when the price of gas goes up. The new ones move fast the used ones are there for a while. I am tempted to jump on it. It was loaded with all the goodies. Many of which I would never order in a new one. With the price difference from the GL Mercedes I can buy gas for the next 15 years to feed that gas guzzling Escalade. The Caddy has 6 more years of Bumper to Bumper warranty with NO deductible.
Bottom line: with all the advancements I think that Cadillac took a step backward with the hard sporty seats. The people buying Cadillacs want the comfort first, sporty second. Escalade is a big part of the Cadillac come back. They need to be very in tune to that consumer base. Don't listen to the kids that have no money.
#2303 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 27, 2007 (7:42 am)
I think that a sixteen would be silly, since a 48 valve V12 would probably have better performance than a 32 valve V16, particularly if one looks at fuel consumption.
While $4 gas is possible, I really can't see the price of fuel remaining high if one can make syntheic fuels for around a $1 a gallon. The longer crude stays above $50 per barrel, the more likly syntheic fuels will go into production.
#2304 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [62vetteefp]
Mar 27, 2007 (7:46 am)
Cadillac passed its first test: developing cars that could compete with the BMW 3- and 5-series. Now it has to prove it can build a full product line rather than being seduced by the glamour of a super sedan.
Don't think that Caddy is yet on equal footing with 3 and 5. Do agree that this might not be time for GM to monkey around with low volume super sedan. Perhaps when GM posts 12-16 quarters of "solid" profit then they can fool around with exotic stuff.
#2305 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [xrunner2]
Mar 27, 2007 (7:54 am)
I do not make this stuff up. These are opinions of auto press.
I will say folks here are about 1 year behind the ball on their opinions/thoughts. One year ago most here seemed to think Wagoner was going to be out, now he is one of the most highly thought of CEO's in the US. Many said GM woyuld be bankrupt. they are making money and now the press seems to think things are going to be OK.
Lets wait one year and see where GM is.
#2306 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [62vetteefp]
Mar 27, 2007 (8:02 am)
Cadillac needs a good $60-80k sedan before they can start playing in the six digits. Now is the time to start developing their big stick, though.
The other thing they need is to make the dual-mode hybrid tranny and direct injection standard across the board. If you're paying that kind of money, why shouldn't you get ALL the good stuff?
#2307 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [62vetteefp]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 27, 2007 (8:04 am)
What makes you think the auto press overall has a very good record of prediction? It's really no better or worse than we are. Mostly they just parrot the PR they read. It's the rare (and good) auto journalist who spends months digging out the real story. You can count them on your fingers.
I sure don't know the "real story". Best most of us can do is project the future through the past, which suggests GM is perfectly capable of going bankrupt even in the midst of prosperity. But that's not something I would predict personally.
But until we the public see the downward spiral of market share loss come to an end and an upturn, why should we beterribly optimistic, based on "future" this and "future" that announcements? And really, can one CEO substantially change an entire corporate culture that is hide-bound in stubborn conservatism? (but not in the good sense of that word)
#2308 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 27, 2007 (8:23 am)
Are we talking about Cadillac's market share, or are we talking about GM's market share? I think Cadillac's market share could increase by building cheaper Cadillacs and taking some of the Buick market. I think this is already in progress. This is basically what Lexus does with the ES model. GM's market share on the other hand, will probably continue to decline, as GM probably has too much market share at present, and can't sustain it.
#2309 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [sls002]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 27, 2007 (8:36 am)
Yes good point. GMs market share isn't sustainable, I would agree with that. GM really needs to continue to re-organize.
The quality of individual products isn't the whole issue. Many a wonderful car has been dragged to its death by a badly run corporation.
#2310 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 27, 2007 (10:40 am)
Come on, go back 1-1 1/2 years in these forums. The points I noted were like gospel, GM was going bankrupt, Wagoner was dead meat. All the lemmings followed those predictions and predicted the same thing.
As I said what is said here is about a year behind. We will see in one year.
#2311 of 6195 Re: Cadillac product at both ends [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 27, 2007 (10:43 am)
Retail US market share will continue to increase at GM. It is overall US market share that may decrease. World wide GM will continue to increase, as will Toyota. There is a race going on and few know that GM is doing AOK.
Hey, it is my prediction. Go back and see what I said 1 - 1 1/2 years ago and see who has a better track record.