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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 18, 2007 3:07 pm) It might be an indicator of a calamity waiting to happen, but I don't see JD Power as a good predictor of actual long term reliability. it's just a menu, it's not the food. FOR INSTANCE -- the JD Powers on MINI is pretty bad...but I've been grilling owners now for 6 months, at random, and reading all the longterms, and I'm getting a somewhat different picture. Not Lexus grade, but better than I expected to hear.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 3:45 pm) the Mini only has 2.8 problems over 3 years per JD Power. While below iindustry average just not that bad. Like I said reliability today is pretty good for all cars/trucks. Should be a non issue for new cars. that is why GM felt confident enough to offer 4 years on Cadillacs/Buicks and 5/100,000 miles on everything. Their warranty has really been dropping in the last 4 years (and I have seen the data). |
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I have no feeling whatsoever that CD or MT would be interested in testing a middle of the road car for the middle of the road driver in the US. Their methods, manners, and interests don't represent anything near the median or the mean of the US driver. The car mag I can pick up at my doctor's office tomorrow will have a list of cars in it that the testers drool about: a Ferrari XTM 3649 model with superblaster motor option, a Catarina Testosterone Deluxe Italiano model imported for them to test, a CTX GT Mustang with optional production (137 only) motor (this one might catch my youthful memory car award), a minivan Ford 600 XLViss model that can corner as well as a Vette according to the rumor on the cover hook line, etc. I've probably overstated my point. I'm not interested in Civic Si's. Test a 500 real world model; test a Lucerne CL; test a base Zephyr; test a DTS base model. And test them for normal driving not for racing characterists. But that's not what would sell the magazine. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 3:45 pm) Part of the problem with the MINI was that JD Powers adds in perceived design faults to the score. The average consumer isn't smart enough to comment on that IMO of course.
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Replying to: british_rover (Jan 18, 2007 6:04 pm) of course. Darn that average customer. Just not smart. They just do not know what they want and do not care. 
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 18, 2007 6:19 pm) The key is knowing how to tell them. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 18, 2007 6:19 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 6:40 pm) Elvis does say hi, is thinking of buying a Silver Thunderbird...
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 18, 2007 7:10 am) There is no issue here with me. The car could have sold 100K copies in 5 years, it was still a dismal failure because it didn't even come close to beating the competition of the day, which was stated to be the SL per Cadillac. Just because it sold well proves that Cadillac buyers are loyal, and we all know they had no problem buying any one of the heaps Cadillac sold in the 80's. Again, a pointless matter about sales. Sales are only one criteria in determining whether or not a car is a success or not. By all other means the Allante was an utter flop. M
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Replying to: british_rover (Jan 18, 2007 8:13 am) M |
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