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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: While my memory [Mr_Shiftright] by sls002
Jan 18, 2007 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 9:16 am)

I think the Allante basic problem was front wheel drive. But the Mercedes SL had been in production since the mid-50's, so with a history of more than 30 years by 1987 any Cadillac competitor would still have been of limited success. The current XLR is not selling any better than the Allante did, nor does it compare with the current SL either.
 
I do know a Cadillac dealer in Chicago who continued to make a market in used Allantes for a period of time after 1993. I think the "Country Club Set" or "Golf Club Set" probably liked the Allante as a Cadillac convertible.
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Re: While my memory [Mr_Shiftright] by sls002
Jan 18, 2007 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 9:36 am)

J. D. Powers is providing information to the manufacturers regarding their quality control. Quality control is an important item in keeping customers happy.
 
BMW's reputation was built on making sports sedans, or the ultimate driving machine (or something to that effect). Cadillac attempted to make the front wheel drive Seville Turing Sedan (STS) into a comparable sports sedan by developing an active suspension. The basic problem was that with 60% of the weight on the front wheels, handling was never really quite right.
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Re: While my memory [sls002] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 18, 2007 (10:04 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 18, 2007 9:50 am)

Well fair enough, but good reports from JD Powers doesn't build great cars.
 
Yep, FWD was an unfortunate choice for a luxury two-seater...here again, I smell the GM bean-counters.
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Re: While my memory [Mr_Shiftright] by autoboy16
Jan 18, 2007 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 10:04 am)

unless saab makes a rear engine front drive roadster... Totally unique. If honda, maker of great FWD vehicles goes all out their way to make a RWD roadster, saab shouldn't be that bad with one. A saab Sonnet with 9-5 styling seems cool! give it a power top and its a seller. Price: $25k?
 
Coming to mind, the next 9-3 may have a metal roof like the g6s.
 
Instead of the AWD 9-7x, it should be like the equinox!! The 9-9x can be a lambda.
 
Saab is doing ok with its FWD vehicles and 4WS Saabs new slogan: Saab_"Unique by design" as well as born from jets. The jets thing is getting old gracefully but still aging. Its good to have but not on every thing. Maybe something here, something there, but not too much. Still, its just my opinion.
 
BTW, the 9-3 is so great, GM took it and made the cadillac BLS. Also a fantastic car. But were my other next 9-3 ideas good?
 
-Cj
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How about this by gsemike
Jan 18, 2007 (1:11 pm)
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Aren't there rumors of a Porche sports sedan? If that were true, wouldn't the vault to the head of the standard or the world discussion?
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A Porsche Sport Sedan? by lemko
Jan 18, 2007 (1:13 pm)
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I'm sort of picturing something that would look like the old Citroen DS.
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Re: How about this [gsemike] by british_rover
Jan 18, 2007 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: gsemike (Jan 18, 2007 1:11 pm)

It is supposed to be called the Panamera...
 
Possible pictures would be...
 

 
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Re: While my memory [Mr_Shiftright] by nvbanker
Jan 18, 2007 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 18, 2007 10:04 am)

Well fair enough, but good reports from JD Powers doesn't build great cars.
 
Very true. Also, the study most quoted by everyone, is the "Initial Quality" report - which tests the number of defects found in your brand new car in the first 90 days of ownership. Well, that's important, yes, but more important to everyone, I think, is the 3 year dependability study which measures how the car is really made. Initial nits and nats are annoying, but if the car keeps falling apart month after miserable month, you don't want one. (Insert Volkswagen here) . That's the JD POwer study I observe.
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Re: While my memory [nvbanker] by sls002
Jan 18, 2007 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 18, 2007 2:51 pm)

As it turns out though, the Initial Quality report is a fair predictor of the longer term Dependability Study. Some makes move up and some down, but generally no one at the top moves to the bottom. Those near the industry average may be above in one and below in the other.
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Re: While my memory [nvbanker] by 62vetteefp
Jan 18, 2007 (3:43 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 18, 2007 2:51 pm)

At 3 years it is Lexus,Mercury, Buick, Cadillac, Toyota, Acura, Honda at the top. At the bottom it is Land Rover, Saab, Suzuki, Kia, Hummer, VW, Saturn.
 
Industry average is 227 with a best score of 136 and a worst of 438. BUT Land Rover really sticks out below Saab at 326.
 
Again if you look at the delta it is basically from 1.5 problems per car to 3 problems per car. Not a lot of difference anymore.

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