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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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#1853 of 6098 Re: Plagued By Poor Management, Too Many Layers of Management, Poor Marketi by fintail Jan 15, 2007 (10:23 am)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 15, 2007 9:19 am) Evolution vs revolution...that's a very good point.   IMO all of the Euro lux players understand it. MB is fantastic about evolving a model over decades. Reorganizing the lineup every 10 years confuses the non-loyalist consumer. MB is so evolutionary that back in 1994 when the model name conventions changed (ie 500SEL vs S500), some people were upset.   It also helps in the heritage ideal, which is important for MB and BMW loyalists.
#1854 of 6098 Re: Plagued By Poor Management, Too Many Layers of Management, Poor Marketing [xrunner2] by bumpy Jan 15, 2007 (10:55 am)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 15, 2007 10:03 am) The new 2008 CTS has very strong identity to past Cadillacs in front end (back to 40's) and rear styling.   I don't see it.       I do see it here. Replies to this message: british_rover (Jan 15, 2007 10:57 am) fintail (Jan 15, 2007 11:07 am) xrunner2 (Jan 15, 2007 12:49 pm)
#1855 of 6098 Re: Plagued By Poor Management, Too Many Layers of Management, Poor Marketi by british_rover Jan 15, 2007 (10:57 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 15, 2007 10:55 am) Oh come on those first two have four wheels and two headlights/tailights...   Ooops wait forgot about the third brake light.   The only common element I see is the milk crate front grill and that is stretching it.
#1856 of 6098 Re: Plagued By Poor Management, Too Many Layers of Management, Poor Marketi by fintail Jan 15, 2007 (11:07 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 15, 2007 10:55 am) Oh that '48 is purty
#1857 of 6098 The Euros aren't the only ones who can hold a theme by bumpy Jan 15, 2007 (11:29 am)
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#1858 of 6098 Re: The Euros aren't the only ones who can hold a theme [bumpy] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Jan 15, 2007 (11:51 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 15, 2007 11:29 am) Ah, the famous Nissan tail light heritage?   I don't get that one, either. Replies to this message: british_rover (Jan 15, 2007 12:13 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Jan 15, 2007 12:34 pm) sls002 (Jan 15, 2007 2:11 pm)
#1859 of 6098 Re: The Euros aren't the only ones who can hold a theme [Mr_Shiftright] by british_rover Jan 15, 2007 (12:13 pm)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 15, 2007 11:51 am) Too bad that last one looks a bit like Chevy Cobalt taillights. Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 15, 2007 12:34 pm) sls002 (Jan 15, 2007 2:11 pm)
#1860 of 6098 Re: The Euros aren't the only ones who can hold a theme [british_rover] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Jan 15, 2007 (12:34 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jan 15, 2007 12:13 pm)   Here's 60 years of genetic material, and to me at least it's pretty obvious:   1948 Benz   1958 Benz   1968 Benz   1988 Benz   A Benz Today Replies to this message: sls002 (Jan 15, 2007 2:11 pm)
#1861 of 6098 You forgot by british_rover Jan 15, 2007 (12:43 pm)
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#1862 of 6098 Re: Plagued By Poor Management, Too Many Layers of Management, Poor Marketing [bumpy] by xrunner2 Jan 15, 2007 (12:49 pm)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 15, 2007 10:55 am) xrunner said: The new 2008 CTS has very strong identity to past Cadillacs in front end (back to 40's) and rear styling.    Bumpy said: I don't see it.   You are trying to compare 2008 CTS rear to 40's Caddy rear. I did not make that comparison. Check my sentence again. I only said that front of 2008 and Caddys BACK TO 40's have strong identity. Did not say that back of 2008 has strong identity to 40s'. But, nonetheless, 2008 back end of CTS is very strong to past Caddys, Eldos I think.   Old car you show below red BMW (seems to have BMW badge) is a very generic design of the 30s and was used by many brands. Is it supposed to match up with red BMW? Don't see it. I guess they both have headlights, but shape is not the same only function.   I would bet that any car savvy teen of today could correctly guess the Cadillac brand by looking at the grille of the old Caddy picture you show. Same teen no way would guess the correct brand of old BMW. There is nothing unique tying that car to current BMW.

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