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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 12, 2007 8:43 am) The Allante's execution screamed ridiculous. It was silly and ridiculous. That's why people still talk about it today. Another reason the Allante is still talked about today is because people really wanted the idea of the Allante to work out. It was a gorgeous looking car and not only gorgeous, but "smart" looking. They missed some of those "smart" points in the rear exterior design, but at the time it looked as if it was a step in the right direction. AND, the interior was "bangin." (something that hasn't been synonymous with the G.M. name) ---mediapusher
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 12, 2007 12:44 pm) When you say incentives are you talking about rebates? ---mediapusher __________________________________ . BMW and Lexus... yeah, right. Incentives? Mercedes? Have they ever offered one on a car? You pay $40K. ---pletko
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 13, 2007 4:15 am) |
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Gsemike- I totally agree, however I'm not the one that posed the question, I was just wondering if that's what Pletko was referring to. And we all know about the recent act of desperation G.M. promoted with their employee "Red Tag" event. ----mediapusher _________________________________________________ Rebates are used to correct the price of a car to what the market is saying. Why should BMW or Lexus offer rebates when the cars are selling just fine without them? --Gsemike |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 12, 2007 8:57 am) Isn't your premise of argument of talking about the future of Cadillac somewhat moot? Take a look right now at www.cadillac.com and tell me what you see. There are references of nostalgia all over the place with pictures and references of cars that date back to 1905. In addition, on the front page are the old Cadillacs from the 1970's that belong to certain personalities that they are using to try and sell the Cadillacs they make today. So your premise of argument is quite hypocritical. Other brands of cars don't have to pull references from the distant past in order to try and sell what they offer today We've already discussed what Cadillac needs to do to become "Standard of the World" Many if not most of us don't know what this phrase means. It's very subjective. Also the "standard of the world" question might seem kind of silly to people wanting to participate in this blog because if Cadillac wanted to be "Standard of the World" they would have done it by now. And many don't think they ever were, are too young, or can't remember when they were the standard of the world, if they ever were. Obviously they're not concerned with being "Standard of the World" (whatever that means) ----mediapusher
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 13, 2007 3:37 am) I understand it quite well, I have been in 5 series and I have a CTSv the quality in the interiors are not that much different. At least not to those that do not hold your biased viewpoint. Plus it was just plain dull. I would also like to add, that based on your response many people like to buy style over substance. People do, I know BMW owners that can't meet someone new without the words "my BMW mechanic" coming out of there mouths before the night ends. Funny thing one of them asked about my "Cadillac mechanic" to which I responded "I don't need one". I know someone else who always drive a C-class Benz who after boasting about it would ask me "how is life with your Hyundia" To which I responded "How is life in your parents house". Actually that response made him stop making his comment. If buying American means I'm supposed to throw my money down the toilet, no thank you. Actually I would think that buying a car that need constant work on it (regardless of the quality of them interior) is throwing money down the drain. I would rather drive a car with a not so nice interior that sees a mechanic every other year than one that has a much nicer interior that sees a mechanic every other month. And would you please tell me why a G.M. assembly line worker expects to make executive level wages and beyond to put together a car?? Well they do it every day, my last GM car went well over 325K miles on the original engine and tranny before it died so I guess they are doing something right. |
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 13, 2007 3:51 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 13, 2007 6:49 am) Mercedes has used older models in advertisements, and the company has even offered restoration services to help enthusiasts keep older models on the road (Car & Driver even wrote a story on the company's effort in this regard). There's nothing wrong with a company using its heritage to sell new cars, especially when the competition (i.e., Lexus) doesn't have much of one. The problem comes when the new vehicles don't live up to the promise or heritage of the old ones.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 13, 2007 6:56 am) Ok fine, let's assume G.M's Cadillac vehicles are a good buy today, , the problem is you like many others expect people to instantly forget the unreliability horrors of G.M's past. How can you expect that? Cadillac Cateras ( a recently discontinued car) certainly don't ring "Standard of the World" in my eyes, nor do Cadillac DTS's (a rebadged Coupe/Sedan De Ville) I would also like to add that the Cadillac CTS is selling like hotcakes because it's the first car that Cadillac has produced that appeals to the driving enthusiast (race car engineering/ heritage). So-- "standard of the world" obviously means they need to build more cars like the CTS and stop fooling around with DTS's which don't seem to be selling significantly. I may sound biased, but I'm not trying to. I certainly don't see many DTS's running around Southern California, and believe me there are plenty of people that live out in this area that could afford them, but what do they choose to buy? They choose (in order of observed market share) Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes, Infiniti, Acura, Honda, then Cadillac CTS Cheap interior in a car like the Cadillac CTS sends a very insulting message to a potential buyer that has money. Regardless of what you, I or anyone thinks of what BMW or Lexus charges for its cars--Do you think they could get what they get for their cars while not even considering Cadillac when they go to buy, if there weren't some confidence factor surrounding their product? G.M. has problems selling most of their cars at top dollar for a very good reason ---- terrible reputation... |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 13, 2007 6:57 am)  , no hybrid vehicles that can compete with Asian cars. Does GM have a hybrid vehicle?? If so, why aren't they selling? Super limited availability pipe dream FLEX-FUEL technology. ...the frenzied 2008 hyped media blitz of their new electric concept car---If they're so concerned about being innovative with electric cars, they why did they "kill" the EV1 project? Do you think others don't ask this question and find G.M. to be scatterbrained? Their new electric car has a battery that costs ($12,000) A cost to high for them to even consider making any more drawings of the car, let alone put it into production. ---mediapusher _____________________________ Sorry its talked about today so that GM bashers can still bash GM. I guess that means that there is nothing you can go after GM today for. ----snakeweasel
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