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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 4:56 pm) |
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 10, 2007 7:04 pm) You're a person of my own heart when it comes to car logic. The soon to be released 2008 Cadillac CTS' interior does look promising, however it remains to be seen. After all, Cadillac is famous for mastering the "style but no substance" recipe. Remember the Cadillac Allante? This was a car that in the public's eye oozed desperation, even though the automotive press gave it gleaming reviews. It was beyond brazen for Cadillac to ask that much for a car that had no proven track record and was riding on the heels of a car company which had a reputation of repeatedly shooting itself in the foot during those days. It also was very much an Italian car, not a U.S.A. car. So much for the "Buy American mantra, huh?  The only American thing about it was the engine. And they were stupid enough not to even give it a Northstar engine. Unbelievable. The Allante also had one of the shortest lifespans of any car. All this, coming from "The Standard of the World." Puhleeez. Who do they think they're kidding? The water leak information you stated in your previous blog doesn't surprise me one bit. It's the very reason their cars have had so many defects and problems. They don't fix build quality problems as they go along, they try and do it after the fact. Pressure from upper management forces workers to rush the assembly line and turn a blind eye at these defects, 'cause that's what they're instructed to do. I was born after the baby boom generation, so I don't quite understand how GM got this way, but I believe it much of it had to do with them having very little, if any competition for a very long time (Early 1900's to 1975) How they expect people to forget 35 years or more of pitiful automotive products and suddenly start buying their cars is really laughable and ridiculous. It will take at least twice that long for consumers to get over it, if they ever do. |
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 8:01 pm) I'm a boomer, my parents always had a mix of domestic (that I remember: Buick, Ford, Caddy...) and imports (Borgward!, Mercedes, Saab, Datsun (now Nissan) and even Renault!) But, by the early 1970s, after a few domestic clunkers and a particularly horrible Ford Country Squire Wagon, nothing but imports until the mid '90s. My Dad took a chance and leased a Caddy Catera, it seemed Europen enough. He fondly recalls that it was a great car to drive, those few days that it was not in the shop! One of the least reliable and poorly screwed together car he's ever owned. Now he's loving his Acura TL. I did have a perfectly wonderful experience with my '99 Chrylser 300M. A few repairs under warranty, known first model year issues. But out of warranty, no issues. But after 5.5 years and 67K+ mile, repairs were-a-comin'. The 300M did restore my faith a bit in the domestics, though. It really was a great car! TL is much better put together, though...
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 8:01 pm) I honestly think the public could completely forget about the things gm has put us through if gm would turn around and give us something solid--the complete lineup. They need to acknowledge they messed up and then counter with a portfolio of vehicles that is not only competive, but class-leading. And they must do all of this with value. Someone said earlier that they should pay attention to the Lexus model. I think that's exactly what they should do. No more of this "well the cts is good so is the sts, but we still have the dts" COME ON!!! If cadillac is a standard of anything, they need a proper flagship. And its not going to be easy. GM seems to have the mentality that one car will turn around its fortunes. But i think it will take a consistant renewed perception across the entire lineup; from Caddy to Chevy. From the time they produce a worthwhile lineup, to the time they are 'forgiven' (for lack of a better word), i say will be about 18 years, the same amount of time it took Lexus.
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Replying to: jkr2106 (Jan 10, 2007 8:16 pm) Maybe my optimism is caused by my youth because I dont remember any truely horrendus gm products like those of the 70s and 80s.
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Replying to: jkr2106 (Jan 10, 2007 8:17 pm) 
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Replying to: aldw (Jan 10, 2007 8:24 pm) |
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 9:22 am) Yeah it sucked. It was underpowered, was 60K and had a manual top that was a pain to operate, fwd, and had the structural integrity of a noodle. For that kinda of money the car sucked. The reasons you give made it loser in that segment. M
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 8:49 am) Nonsense. M |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 9:38 am) M
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