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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: autoboy16 (Jan 08, 2007 1:57 pm)  Uugggh, here we go again...
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 08, 2007 9:38 am) ____________________ They're trying. I don't like what they're trying, but I will give them credit for making the effort this time. So, how much does GM's Great Wreathed Hope weigh? |
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 08, 2007 9:39 am)  Hmmm, let's see, it's the size of a I G35, and has the weight of an ocean liner... I don't get it.
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 4:36 pm) I believe John Lennon had a 600. A runaway success compared to the Allante, which will go down in history as yet another half-baked GM 80s effort that was killed off right when it became decent. |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 3:59 pm) |
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 4:00 pm) I'm sure GM would. However, "the market" has voted with their wallets and MB and BMW are not considered overpriced. If you want one, that's what they cost. BMW/MB has earned the right and created a supply/demand scenario (or so I have to believe) to sustain such prices. Caddy has not, they really should learn from the (sales) success of Lexus regarding initial pricing (and quality! And upscale interiors!) and growing demand/marketshare. Generally, imho, it's not just that GM, starting in the '70s began producing bad cars, but that they kept producing them (how long did the Cavalier live!) and doing just a terrible job of badge engineering. Yes, using the public as test mules is an incredibly short-sighted strategy. I believe I remember a story from many years ago (probably read in C & D, I've been reading/subscribing for decades). The domestics, at some point in the production process, doused cars with water to ensure that they did not leak. A Big 3 executive visiting a plant in Japan noted that the Japaneese did not have this "quality control" test. When he asked the Japaneese executive why they didn't test their cars for water tightness, the reply was simply that, "Our cars don't leak."
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 10, 2007 7:04 pm)  The first thing jumped into my mind when I see that was: I wonder what does Toyota or Honda do with problems like this...
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 10, 2007 7:15 pm) And Ford labels that, "Old World Craftsmanship!"  If Ford, instead of spending millions of $ advertising, "Quality is Job 1" and instead spent millions of $ making Quality Job 1, who knows what might have happened? Quality, maybe? Actually, I'm not even sure of Ford's quality ratings. Maybe they are the highest rated of the "domestics?" I actually think they do have some good products: Fusion and iterations, 500/Montego really seems to be a good family appliance, if only they gave it just a bit of style, always thought that the Freestyle seemed like a (underpowered)reasonably sensible soccer-mom mobile, Mustang 's a winner... But, does Fixed Or Repaired Daily & Found On Road Dead still rule the day? |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 5:59 pm) And so it accomplished what it set out to do---to make a Rolls or Cadillac look like a Model T Ford mechanically, that's true. I think Sterling Moss took one of the Pullmans and actually broke some track records in England with it.... But reliable?....ah, no. In that respect, Cadillacs of the time were far more reliable than Benz 600s or any Rolls. Let's give credit where it is due. But technically, the 600 was in another century....fuel injection, OHC V-8, active suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes, hydraulic windows and seats, superb high speed handling. These were things Rolls and Cadillac wouldn't do for another 25 years. And I'm sure the 600 lost buckets of money as well. I like the short wheel base models (in that dark blue color). They were made to be self-driven. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 10, 2007 7:50 pm) To help put in perspective the handling and power capabilities of this massive car, in 1965 a Pullman 600 with six adults on board and Stirling Moss behind the wheel came within five seconds of besting the saloon-car lap record at the Brands Hatch racing circuit. In 1965, Car and Driver magazine stated, "The Mercedes 600 has proved to our complete satisfaction that it is the finest automobile in the world!" Merc 600 The end of that article has some interesting comments on the price of repairs on a 600. Ouch it is painful, very, very painful. Those are worse then Ferrari repair bills. |
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