Sign In Join 



Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

6098 messages,  Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

You are in the Automotive News & Views Forum. Your Hosts are steve_ & claires

What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


Messages Page 167 of 611
1
...
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
...
611
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion

#1652 of 6098
Rolls vs 600 pricing in late 60's by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (4:36 pm)
Reply
Both the Rolls Royce and Mercedes 600 started at around $20,000. I think that my perception that the basic 600 sedan was comparable to the Silver Shadow is reasonable.
 
When the Beatles had it made, so to speak, they bought a Rolls.
#1653 of 6098
Re: Rolls vs 600 pricing in late 60's [sls002] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 10, 2007 (4:44 pm)
Reply

Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 4:36 pm)

Well in a peverse way they WERE both comparable---the 600 and the Shadow were equally troublesome, ridiculously complex cars....and today, either of them is a real hard sell.
 
They were not comparable in performance and handling however...the 600 would run rings around the Shadow. One was modern, one was totally obsolete.
#1654 of 6098
Re: Cadillac...and others [xrunner2] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (4:50 pm)
Reply

Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 10, 2007 8:44 am)

XrRunner2-
 
But this proposition would offend many General Motors purists and the simpletons out there that think we have to "buy american". Whatever that
means. There are still those freaks out there running around in the U.S.A.
Buy American, Buy American. (Ahhh put a cork in it, would ya?!) You just wanna turn around and pimp slap these simpletons.
They don't know how thoroughly idiotic they sound.
 
If I only "bought American" my house would be empty, and I'd be forced to walk around naked, cause I sure as hell wouldn't have any clothes to wear. And judging from most of the comments on this board, 90 percent of my salary would go to mechanics and hmmm, Delphi parts. What a coincidence--- NOT .
 
 If I'm supposed to "buy american" why does Cadillac use a transmission designed and built by the French for the Cadillac SRX? Why does Chevrolet sell cosmetically engineered Toyota Corollas as Geo/Chevrolet Prizms. And one of the most obvious examples of their cosmetic engineer whoring, was the now defunct Cadillac Allaante, designed and built in Italy by the famous Pinafarina group (Ferrari) , with Pinafarina proudly written on the sides of it. I think the only thing Cadillac had to do with that car was the engine. The Cadillac Allante had the smell of desperation all over it.
 
So people please keep your silly and hypocritical "buy american" mantra where it belongs, in the garbage disposal, cause apparently not even your "beloved" Cadillac or other G.M divisions want to "buy american"..... Sad state of affairs :\
 
---- mediapusher
______________________________________________________
 
The STS-V without bluetooth - the STS without an engine...the SRX without a theme or the XLR, well, that one isn't bad, but without a Northstar?
  
GM has had joint ventures with Toyota and others. GM has used Honda V6s in some Saturns in past. GM ought to think about trying to get a manufacturing license from Honda or Nissan to build/put their "world-class" engines in Caddys such as CTS. These Caddys would then stand a better chance of being a "standard". Precendent already been set a number of times for GM to use Japanese engineeering, most recent example being Toyota's Pontiac Vibe.
  
A Honda or Nissan engine in a CTS having great styling, interior, suspension, brakes would be a positive for GM and Caddy. What with some GM US models already being engineered and built outside of US, not much of a stretch to outsource for world-class engine technology.
#1655 of 6098
Re: Overall reliability still isn't there, and they don't care (esuomm] [me [mediapusher] by snakeweasel
Jan 10, 2007 (4:52 pm)
Reply

Based on the stellar experience I’ve had with my 2003 Toyota, you are either lying to try and lessen the terrible things people have known and are saying about General Motors on this board,
 
Well then can I say based on the steller experience I had with my 1992 Chevy Corsica esuomm is either lying or trying to make General Motors look bad.
 
What I am trying to point out is that just because one person has a bad experience with one car does not mean that the whole brand is bad.
 
Or you’re dealing with someone who doesn’t like to do the regularly scheduled maintenance on their car (your sister)
 
My sister keeps to stringent maintence schedules, think sludge (it was a major problem with toyotas). My neighbors Honda had the exhaust system dropped with less than 50 miles on it (he only put 3 or 4 miles on it driving it home from the dealer) that one blew the tranny at 5 or 6K miles. Can't blame that on poor maintenance.
#1656 of 6098
Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (4:56 pm)
Reply

Replying to: sls002 (Jan 09, 2007 7:15 am)

As you see it? Then you must have cataracts. How do you explain the instant phenomenal success that Toyota has had with their Scion line? It's because Toyota does their homework and doesn't dump their products on the public to test them.
 
 I'm sure it helps American car companies keep their costs down, but this tactic also regularly backfires on them.
______________________________________
 
As I see it, any new vehicle is an experiment. No one can really say how something will sell until one puts it into production.
 
-sls002
#1657 of 6098
Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [mediapusher] by imidazol97
Jan 10, 2007 (5:07 pm)
Reply

Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 4:56 pm)

>It's because Toyota does their homework and doesn't dump their products on the public to test them.
 
Can you say sludge?
 
Can you say transmission problem in all three models, es, camry, avalon from Toyota--now focusing on the Camry version. Check 2007 camry problems and repairs.
#1658 of 6098
Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [imidazol97] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 10, 2007 (5:11 pm)
Reply

Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 10, 2007 5:07 pm)

Well it doesn't seem to have hurt them one bit...so either they were proactive enough (they did extend warranty on some engines) or their reputation can take a hit now and then. So the way I see it, having done their "homework" all these years has allowed them to dodge a few bullets.
 
Nobody is going to cut Cadillac any more slack, I fear. You know how it is---the celeb gets away with everything and the wannabe gets blamed for every mistake.
#1659 of 6098
Re: American preferences of foreign cars [trimaster] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (5:30 pm)
Reply

Replying to: trimaster (Jan 08, 2007 12:22 pm)

I don't care what anyone says. Nothing beats the original dreamgirls (Diana Ross and the Supremes) I don't like watching imitations, especially when it comes to them. I'll watch the film when it comes out on DVD, but not now.
 
On a more relevant note, Cadillac can still muster up in the syle department when it wants to, but substance, uhmmm, I'm still iffy on that subject when it comes to Cadillac. And G.M. seems to disconnected and erratic with the way they do
business.
#1660 of 6098
Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [imidazol97] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (5:39 pm)
Reply

Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 10, 2007 5:07 pm)

Imidazol97-
 
And how many flops and sludge, as you put it has General Motors produced and dumped on the public, compared to Toyota and Honda. I can count Toyota's and Honda's flops on one hand.
 
There aren't enough fingers and toes collectively of the people on this planet to count the flops, mishaps, defects, engineering embarrassments of General Motors, etc. I could name them all, but I'm afraid I'd get carpal tunnel syndrome by the time I was done. :\
 
And sorry to burst your bubble but my Toyota Corolla (2002-03) has been one great car.
 
-----mediapusher
________________________
Can you say transmission problem in all three models, es, camry, avalon from Toyota--now focusing on the Camry version. Check 2007 camry problems and repairs.
#1661 of 6098
Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [merc1] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (5:41 pm)
Reply

Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2007 1:51 pm)

Merc1-
 
The Cadillac Allante was never meant to be a mass market car. But pathetic as it is, it couldn't even make it as a niche market car like GM had hoped
 
---mediapusher

Messages Page 167 of 611
1
...
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
...
611
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion
To POST a message, please Sign In.

New? Join Now!

Forum Tools

Please sign in.
Email Address:

Password:

Forgot Password?

Search Forums

Enter Keyword(s)

Advanced Search

Browse by Vehicle



View All Vehicles
Advertisement
Ask the Community
See What People Are Asking

Browse by Board

Browse by Topic


View All Topics

Today's Chats

Advertisement