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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Overall reliability still isn't there, and they don't care (esuomm] [mediapusher] [esuomm] by snakeweasel
Jan 10, 2007 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: esuomm (Jan 10, 2007 1:39 pm)

Friend of mine just leased a CTS or DTS (whatever) and it sprung an oil leak in the driveway and couldn't be driven. Had to be towed back to the dealer. He had the car 3 months or so and it has been back twice, including this oil leak.
 
Sounds like my sisters Toyota or my neighbors Honda, so don't buy those makes either.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [snakeweasel] by british_rover
Jan 10, 2007 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 10, 2007 3:30 pm)

He meant XLR-V...
 
Just got his alphanumeric names confused.
 
XLR-V
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Re: Cadillac...and others [british_rover] by snakeweasel
Jan 10, 2007 (3:50 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jan 10, 2007 3:39 pm)

Ah ok, honestly it is over priced.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [snakeweasel] by fintail
Jan 10, 2007 (3:52 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 10, 2007 3:50 pm)

Yeah my bad.
 
When I think "V" I think of the CTS anyway...the original, and best value of the bunch.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [fintail] by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 1:57 pm)

The 600's were for their day, similar to the current Maybach I think. I will agree that the 600 was better engineered than the Rolls. But, the Rolls is recognizable by people who know nothing about cars, while the 600, if these people would recognize it as a Mercedes, would only see it as a Mercedes sedan. This is why the Maybach is not doing better than it is. Of course, the BMW Rolls is a much better engineered Rolls than any Rolls has probably ever been, at least in the last 50 years.
 
What about the current McLaren SLR? Mercedes contracted for a minimum of 4000 units.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [laurasdada] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 10, 2007 11:24 am)

laurasada-
 
The XLR is based on the Corvette Chassis and Northstar engine. It is somewhat overpriced, but at least it looks like the money. The Cadillac Allante didn't look like the money from the exterior. Also from what I have heardm the XLR is ill plagued with excessive body lean and roll, it's too heavy, and doesn't have a sporty feel.
 
The XLR is overpriced because G.M. would very much like to capture the ovepriced market that Mercedes and BMW seem to capture with such ease.
 
--mediapusher
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"Actually, I believe that the XLR does have a Northstar engine. But, like the Allante, it is ridiculously overpriced. In base and -V guise. A recurring Cadillac theme..."
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Re: Cadillac...and others [mediapusher] by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 4:00 pm)

The Allante, like the Eldorado Brougham, was shipped to Italy to get some European flavor to justify a much higher price. It would have made far to much sense to build the Allante in the Reatta factory and price it at $40,000.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [merc1] by mediapusher
Jan 10, 2007 (4:17 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 09, 2007 9:12 pm)

Yes, but how old are your uncles. A person would have to be beyond stupid if they don't think the generation you were born in has something to do with how you purchase your car.
 
Cadillacs are probably all your uncles need, if they are like the type of people I think they are (drive to the store and back, and the occasional Cadillac club stroll down the coast of California's highway 1 for a Cadillac convention and back) Especially if a person has to have a Cadillac "Hog". I can tell they are way "old school" types People don't call Cadillacs "hogs" anymore. This is what they were called in the '50's and early part of the '60's (due to their gluttonous nature and aura, Cadillac didn't have sports models in those days) The only slang term I hear Cadillacs being called is "Caddy"
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"Yep, really. Devilles, DTSs and STS. They'll have nothing else."
  
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Re: Cadillac...and others [mediapusher] by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 4:17 pm)

Cadillac's fuel consumption got much worse after the HydraMatic was replaced with the TurboHydraMatic and the 429 cubic inch V8 in 1964. From there the engines simply got bigger and fuel consumption was worst, probably for the 1973-74 models, with exhaust gas recirulation, but before catalysts. Fuel consumption improved with the 1977 downsizing. The 1982 move to the 4100 greatly improved Cadillac's CAFE (from 18 to 22).

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