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Re: Cadillac...and others [fintail]
by laurasdada
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Jan 10, 2007 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 11:41 am)
Yes. The MB SL series, over a long period of time, has "earned" its price premium. It is the roadster for, "The Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." When Lexus came out with its "SL competitor" (never mind at what level it actually competes...), the SC430, they were not presumptious enough to price it anywhere near the SL. Caddy, with the XLR imho, flew a little too close to the sun with their $75k+ price tag, leading to disappointing sales and a 50% production cut within a year. And an interior that, again imho, does not reflect the price of admission.
Also, being based on the 'Vette (which these days ain't a bad thing!) and priced ~50% higher than a 'Vette convertible probably did not help.
But, I still want one. And/or a Jag XK. Porsche 911, AM V8... "...and the purse strings of a pauper."
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002]
by fintail
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Jan 10, 2007 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 12:14 pm)
It was priced like a Rolls (a coachbuilt one), not meant to be mass market. Comparing a massive limo to a SL pretender is apples to oranges.
Do you have anything stating MB actually intended to steal the RR show? How many Phantoms did RR sell during the time period? The fact that it was grossly expensive, grossly complicated, and not a beauty queen, yet still sold for a long period to the highest order of clientele says all I need to know.
The 600 will be well-remembered in 50 more years...how about the Allante?
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Re: Cadillac...and others [laurasdada]
by fintail
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Jan 10, 2007 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 10, 2007 12:24 pm)
That's a good analysis. And I don't hate the XLR or anything...it's an interesting enough car, and the market needs more of those. It just needs more polish.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [fintail]
by sls002
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Jan 10, 2007 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 12:51 pm)
38,000
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- #1636 of 6098
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002]
by fintail
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Jan 10, 2007 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 12:53 pm)
38000 Phantoms made between 1963-81? Where is this coming from?
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [fintail]
by sls002
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Jan 10, 2007 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 12:54 pm)
I don't think that the Mercedes 600 was comparable to the Phantom, certainly not the Phantom IV. Perhaps some of the 600 Limo's that were custom built may have.
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Re: Overall reliability still isn't there, and they don't care (esuomm] [mediapusher]
by esuomm
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Jan 10, 2007 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Jan 10, 2007 9:38 am)
Mediapusher, does sound like a good investment. Though not the board for it, but we are all over the place, American made trucks have had less competition from the foreign car makers since the likes of Toy, Hon, Nissan haven't made a real full size truck. Ford, GM and Chevy will be taking even more of a beating when Toyota introduces their 8' bed pickup in Feb. They are in trouble. Same reason I am not buying a GM product again is the same many will buy the Toyo truck instead of GM once it comes out. Friend of mine just leased a CTS or DTS (whatever) and it sprung an oil leak in the driveway and couldn't be driven. Had to be towed back to the dealer. He had the car 3 months or so and it has been back twice, including this oil leak.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002]
by fintail
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Jan 10, 2007 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 1:13 pm)
Phantom IV also predates the 600 by many years. I will say that any 600 was much greater than a plain old Silver Shadow. A 600 LWB was comparable with a Phantom V or VI...and production was similar.
If we want to talk about a MB "flop", maybe the Maybach is better. But not the 600.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [fintail]
by snakeweasel
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Jan 10, 2007 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 11:41 am)
Just as how a SL550 and CTSV are almost identical in price,
Please define "almost Identical" a SL550 starts at over $97K while the CTS-V tops out at around $55K. I would hate to see your ideal of much more expensive.
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Re: Overall reliability still isn't there, and they don't care (esuomm] [mediapusher] [esuomm]
by snakeweasel
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Jan 10, 2007 (3:35 pm)
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Replying to: esuomm (Jan 10, 2007 1:39 pm)
Friend of mine just leased a CTS or DTS (whatever) and it sprung an oil leak in the driveway and couldn't be driven. Had to be towed back to the dealer. He had the car 3 months or so and it has been back twice, including this oil leak.
Sounds like my sisters Toyota or my neighbors Honda, so don't buy those makes either.
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