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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [lemko] by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 10, 2007 9:58 am)

I do what the oil monitor says. However, since the Chevy dealer took over Cadillac, and they have Mobil 1 synthetic for the Corvettes, I have them put 5W30 Mobil 1 synthetic in it. I usually drive my car at least 10 miles when I start it up cold in the morning, as the nearest place I would go is ten miles away. So, the engine and oil are warmed up by the time I shut it off. This makes a big difference in what the oil monitor decides for the oil change interval.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [lemko] by bumpy
Jan 10, 2007 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 10, 2007 9:58 am)

Will it hurt your car if you've been using dino oil all along and suddenly switch to synthetic?
 
No, with a few caveats. Older cars with rope seals and loose tolerances will leak like a sieve on synthetic, and cars with a LOT of miles (150k, 250k, something in there)might have problems if the synthetic loosens the accumulated gunk from the dino oil.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [nvbanker] by laurasdada
Jan 10, 2007 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 09, 2007 8:32 pm)

Actually, I believe that the XLR does have a Northstar engine. But, like the Allante, it is ridiculously overpriced. In base and -V guise. A recurring Cadillac theme...
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002] by fintail
Jan 10, 2007 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 8:49 am)

The 600 was a flop? An almost 20 year production run and an endless list of celebrity clientele might say otherwise. It is a monstrously overdone car, but not a flop.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [laurasdada] by fintail
Jan 10, 2007 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 10, 2007 11:24 am)

Just as how a SL550 and CTSV are almost identical in price, but the basic non-tuned MB is barely outperformed by the top of the line tuned Caddy, like by a couple tenths .
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [fintail] by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 11:39 am)

Well, 2677 in 20 years? Even the Allante did better than that. This car was supposed to blow Rolls Royce out of the market.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [fintail] by laurasdada
Jan 10, 2007 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 11:41 am)

Yes. The MB SL series, over a long period of time, has "earned" its price premium. It is the roadster for, "The Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous." When Lexus came out with its "SL competitor" (never mind at what level it actually competes...), the SC430, they were not presumptious enough to price it anywhere near the SL. Caddy, with the XLR imho, flew a little too close to the sun with their $75k+ price tag, leading to disappointing sales and a 50% production cut within a year. And an interior that, again imho, does not reflect the price of admission.
 
Also, being based on the 'Vette (which these days ain't a bad thing!) and priced ~50% higher than a 'Vette convertible probably did not help.
 
But, I still want one. And/or a Jag XK. Porsche 911, AM V8... "...and the purse strings of a pauper."
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002] by fintail
Jan 10, 2007 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 10, 2007 12:14 pm)

It was priced like a Rolls (a coachbuilt one), not meant to be mass market. Comparing a massive limo to a SL pretender is apples to oranges.
 
Do you have anything stating MB actually intended to steal the RR show? How many Phantoms did RR sell during the time period? The fact that it was grossly expensive, grossly complicated, and not a beauty queen, yet still sold for a long period to the highest order of clientele says all I need to know.
 
The 600 will be well-remembered in 50 more years...how about the Allante?
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Re: Cadillac...and others [laurasdada] by fintail
Jan 10, 2007 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 10, 2007 12:24 pm)

That's a good analysis. And I don't hate the XLR or anything...it's an interesting enough car, and the market needs more of those. It just needs more polish.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [fintail] by sls002
Jan 10, 2007 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2007 12:51 pm)

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