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#1613 of 6195 Re: Cadillac...and others [merc1]
Jan 09, 2007 (8:32 pm)
I have uncles that still won't buy anything but a Cadillac, but lucky for them Cadillac really does make something worth buying in 2007. It has to be a "hog".
Really, Merc. The STS-V without bluetooth - the STS without an engine...the Escalade without folding rear seats, the CTS without - pretty much everything, the DTS without a driveshaft, the SRX without a theme or the XLR, well, that one isn't bad, but without a Northstar? Which one is worth buying? None for my money.
#1614 of 6195 Re: Cadillac...and others [nvbanker]
Jan 09, 2007 (9:12 pm)
Yep, really. Devilles, DTSs and STS. They'll have nothing else.
#1615 of 6195 Re: Cadillac...and others [nvbanker]
Jan 10, 2007 (8:44 am)
The STS-V without bluetooth - the STS without an engine...the SRX without a theme or the XLR, well, that one isn't bad, but without a Northstar?
GM has had joint ventures with Toyota and others. GM has used Honda V6s in some Saturns in past. GM ought to think about trying to get a manufacturing license from Honda or Nissan to build/put their "world-class" engines in Caddys such as CTS. These Caddys would then stand a better chance of being a "standard". Precendent already been set a number of times for GM to use Japanese engineeering, most recent example being Toyota's Pontiac Vibe.
A Honda or Nissan engine in a CTS having great styling, interior, suspension, brakes would be a positive for GM and Caddy. What with some GM US models already being engineered and built outside of US, not much of a stretch to outsource for world-class engine technology.
#1616 of 6195 Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 10, 2007 (8:49 am)
As far as I know, the 4.5 liter engine was new in 1988, so was it bad for 3 years running? Or are you talking about the RWD Fleetwood that had the 5 liter or 5.7 liter V8? Neither engine was new.
The northstar has had some oil consumption problems too. Mine uses about 4 quarts between oil changes.
As I see it, discontinuing the Allante after 7 years of production was not a big deal, although after upgrading to the northstar, I wonder why they did not keep it going a couple of more years? The basic point is that Cadillac was still in business, and parts and warranty service continues.
When GM discontinued Oldsmobile, Oldsmobile dealers were gone. However, Oldsmobile owners could go to other GM dealers for service. While my 2002 Cadillac Seville was not an Oldsmobile, my dealer was an Oldsmobile_Cadillac_GMC dealer, and they are gone. The Cadillac franchise moved to the Chevy dealer.
When De Lorean went out of business, the owner were left with uncertain service.
In the 1960's, the Mercedes 600 was basically a flop, as some of you have called the Allante.
#1617 of 6195 Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [merc1]
Jan 10, 2007 (9:22 am)
Did the Allante suck as you claim? I thought its only blunders were that it was ridiculously overpriced and the convertible top didn't fit at well as many would have liked.
#1618 of 6195 Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [mediapusher]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 10, 2007 (9:33 am)
The Allante didn't suck.
What happened was that Cadillac built a car to compete with a Benz that was obsolete. So, by 1993 Cadillac had a perfect competitor for a 20 year old Benz design.
Once again, Cadillac showed up, but they missed the bus.
Now I'd say they are only 2-3 years behind, so the situation has vastly improved for Cadillac. They are a "player", although with a handicap of having a less than wonderful parent organization funding them. IMO Cadillac's biggest challenge is to remain as independent as possible of GM's corporate management up there on floor 14, especially the accounting department.
No easy task but so far, not bad, not bad at all.
#1620 of 6195 Re: Overall reliability still isn't there, and they don't care (esuomm]
Jan 10, 2007 (9:38 am)
The sad thing is G.M. really doesn't care, and it's cheaper for them to pay off whatever lawsuits are filed and continue to build the car wtih defects than fix the problem. To fix the problem means they would have to start from scratch again, and trust me that is much more expensive to them than any litigation trouble. Ford does it all the time. Look at all the complaints and lawsuits galore the electrical system nightmare Cadillac Catera and Ford Focus had when they were first introduced...
And then they wonder why Toyota is poised to beat them in car sales and volume soon. My Toyota Corolla (keep in mind this is a low end entry level car) didn't start developing problems until 170,000 miles. The problems I'm now having with the car are normal wear and tear "problems", bearings, tire wear, clutch. The rest involves change oil and go. Not bad for a $6500 investment, AND, I bought this car used. G.M. can't beat that. No way in hell they can be that. They don't have the mindset or business model to beat that.
Sorry you had to get rid of the Caddy. But anyone that think GM makes class cars has another thing coming. All you have to do is look at a couple of those TSB and see that they (GM) allows real problems to go unresolved for years. Last one I saw was for a steering clunk that was found on 7 or 8 models of GM built cars (Caddy, Hummer, Buick, Sierra's, etc.) from 1999 and continued through 2006.
#1621 of 6195 Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002]
Jan 10, 2007 (9:44 am)
Mine uses about 4 quarts between oil changes.
What? Geeze, if mine loses 1 qt. it's doing bad. You might have that dreaded lower crankcase seal problem. The seal is only $44, but the labor cost will kill ya. They have to yank the engine to get at it.
#1622 of 6195 Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002]
Jan 10, 2007 (9:47 am)
At least it's back to being looking like this:
Saw a white one in the show room couple weeks ago, GORGEOUS...