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Re: Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?? [bigo08]
by oldtom
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Jan 09, 2007 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: bigo08 (Nov 27, 2006 12:16 am)
Just dumped a 2005 Cadillac STS. The vehicle drove and handled well, but I had an incredible number of minor problems. Several of which were documented in service bulletins. I was extremely disappointed in that I thought I had purchased a world class car. GM seemed to have the concept right, but the execution was not there. Based on GM's track record, I say no way.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [lemko]
by snakeweasel
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Jan 09, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2007 9:36 am)
I have at least three, maybe four, Cadillac dealers within 10 miles of me. Within 15 miles of me you can buy any car available in the US new.
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Re: Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?? [oldtom]
by esuomm
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Jan 09, 2007 (4:21 pm)
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Replying to: oldtom (Jan 09, 2007 11:47 am)
Sorry you had to get rid of the Caddy. But anyone that think GM makes class cars has another thing coming. All you have to do is look at a couple of those TSB and see that they (GM) allows real problems to go unresolved for years. Last one I saw was for a steering clunk that was found on 7 or 8 models of GM built cars (Caddy, Hummer, Buick, Sierra's, etc.) from 1999 and continued through 2006. Once they see it's a problem in 1999 and then in 2000 they should do something to prevent it from happening again in 2001, let alone 6 years later. GM, when will they learn. I had a few issues with my GMC (steering one of them) and eventualy had to sue them to take the car back since they couldn't permanently fix some of the issues and wouldn't let me trade it in for a bit better then wholesale value.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [snakeweasel]
by autoboy16
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Jan 09, 2007 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 09, 2007 4:04 pm)
I feel lucky. Within 10 miles, I have 3 toyota, 2 honda, 1 cadillac, 2bmw, 1 suzuki, 3 hyundai, 1 cadillac, 2chevy, 2lincoln_mercury, 4ford, 1gmc_pontiac_buick, 1 saturn, a lexus, 1 kia, 2 jeep_chrysler, 1 dodge, 1 exotic (Audi, Jaguar, lotus, aston martin, lambo, porsche), a mercedes in the works thats scheduled to be completed before summer, 3 mazda, 3 nissan, 2infiniti, 1saab, and COUNTLESS used car dealers. Maybe more than I named. Volvo is 11 miles...
I~♥~MiaMi!!
~Cj 
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [sls002]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Jan 09, 2007 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 09, 2007 7:19 am)
I'll beg to differ on that. The Japanese do their homework and R&D with a good deal more thoroughness that the Big 2.5 When they come out with a new model, it works because the experimenting is over. Sure, maybe there's a rattle here or a glitchy seat belt retractor but they don't lay eggs like the Big 2.5 do with regularity. The 1990 Lexus ended up with poor durability on their leathers and a steering rack that wasn't a 200K miler; the 1990 Cadillac ended up with an engine that sucked oil like crazy. I can excuse the automaker that didn't test their back seats enough, or didn't run their luxury cars over railroad tracks or off-road, -- but an engine? c'mon! How can you introduce a new engine and NOT know it burns oil?
I don't get it, I just don't get it.
Did they think no one would notice?
So what does that do? It takes a basically GREAT engine and puts a black mark on it that we all remember even after the fixes are in.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [merc1]
by nvbanker
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Jan 09, 2007 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2007 10:18 pm)
I have uncles that still won't buy anything but a Cadillac, but lucky for them Cadillac really does make something worth buying in 2007. It has to be a "hog".
Really, Merc. The STS-V without bluetooth - the STS without an engine...the Escalade without folding rear seats, the CTS without - pretty much everything, the DTS without a driveshaft, the SRX without a theme or the XLR, well, that one isn't bad, but without a Northstar? Which one is worth buying? None for my money.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [nvbanker]
by merc1
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Jan 09, 2007 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 09, 2007 8:32 pm)
Yep, really. Devilles, DTSs and STS. They'll have nothing else.
M
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Re: Cadillac...and others [nvbanker]
by xrunner2
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Jan 10, 2007 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 09, 2007 8:32 pm)
The STS-V without bluetooth - the STS without an engine...the SRX without a theme or the XLR, well, that one isn't bad, but without a Northstar?
GM has had joint ventures with Toyota and others. GM has used Honda V6s in some Saturns in past. GM ought to think about trying to get a manufacturing license from Honda or Nissan to build/put their "world-class" engines in Caddys such as CTS. These Caddys would then stand a better chance of being a "standard". Precendent already been set a number of times for GM to use Japanese engineeering, most recent example being Toyota's Pontiac Vibe.
A Honda or Nissan engine in a CTS having great styling, interior, suspension, brakes would be a positive for GM and Caddy. What with some GM US models already being engineered and built outside of US, not much of a stretch to outsource for world-class engine technology.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [Mr_Shiftright]
by sls002
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Jan 10, 2007 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 09, 2007 4:54 pm)
As far as I know, the 4.5 liter engine was new in 1988, so was it bad for 3 years running? Or are you talking about the RWD Fleetwood that had the 5 liter or 5.7 liter V8? Neither engine was new.
The northstar has had some oil consumption problems too. Mine uses about 4 quarts between oil changes.
As I see it, discontinuing the Allante after 7 years of production was not a big deal, although after upgrading to the northstar, I wonder why they did not keep it going a couple of more years? The basic point is that Cadillac was still in business, and parts and warranty service continues.
When GM discontinued Oldsmobile, Oldsmobile dealers were gone. However, Oldsmobile owners could go to other GM dealers for service. While my 2002 Cadillac Seville was not an Oldsmobile, my dealer was an Oldsmobile_Cadillac_GMC dealer, and they are gone. The Cadillac franchise moved to the Chevy dealer.
When De Lorean went out of business, the owner were left with uncertain service.
In the 1960's, the Mercedes 600 was basically a flop, as some of you have called the Allante.
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