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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: I.S.L. CTS Review [autoboy16] by 62vetteefp
Jan 09, 2007 (4:28 am)
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Replying to: autoboy16 (Jan 08, 2007 8:22 pm)

GM just announced the G8. However it is a low volume vehicle. I have a feeling Pontiac will be dropping the Grand Prix low price point and rental fleet.
 

Ever since the GM Australia launched its new Holden VE Commodore (pictured), rumors began circulating that GM might export the rear-wheel-drive sedan to America as a Pontiac. Some reports suggested the car would be sold as the next Grand Prix, while others indicated it would be renamed G8.
 
Today, GM confirmed it will bring the Commodore to America as the Pontiac G8. "We are seriously planning to import a lot of Commodore SS sedans as Pontiac G8s," product development chief Bob Lutz told Australia's Drive today at the Detroit auto show, adding that the company could sell 50,000 G8s per year. "We are yet to officially announce it," he said.
 
The Commodore and G8 ride on GM's new Zeta rear-wheel-drive platform, which underpins the 2009 Camaro and the next-generation Impala, in addition to several other planned vehicles.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [nvbanker] by snakeweasel
Jan 09, 2007 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Jan 08, 2007 10:12 pm)

I used to be the die hard Lincoln guy. I have always felt that Lincoln was a class above Cadillac, and in those days it truely was. However IMHO in recent years Lincoln has dropped the ball and Cadillac has really made something of itself.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [snakeweasel] by merc1
Jan 09, 2007 (5:02 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jan 09, 2007 5:00 am)

I don't know about a class above, but I do think that back in the day say like the 80s and 90's a Linc had a better ride than a Cadillac.
 
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Just out of curiosity by louiswei
Jan 09, 2007 (5:20 am)
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Is the presidential limousine always a Caddy?
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Re: Just out of curiosity [louiswei] by lemko
Jan 09, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2007 5:20 am)

I've seen Lincolns used many times as Presidential limousines. The most famous, (or infamous) was JFK's 1961 Lincoln. Nixon had a 1969 Lincoln, and I think old man Bush had a 1989 Lincoln. Truman had a 1950 Lincoln Cosmopolitan that was later fitted with a special clear Plexiglas top. FDR had the "Sunshine Special" - a 1938 Lincoln Model K that was clumsily updated to look like a 1942 model.
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Re: Just out of curiosity [lemko] by louiswei
Jan 09, 2007 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2007 5:29 am)

Wow, so Lincoln had a rich history in the presidential fleet. Too bad I don't see that happening again anytime soon with the recent trend.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [Mr_Shiftright] by sls002
Jan 09, 2007 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 08, 2007 5:50 pm)

As I see it, any new vehicle is an experiment. No one can really say how something will sell until one puts it into production.
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Re: Life. Liberty. And the Pursuit. [merc1] by sls002
Jan 09, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2007 7:06 pm)

I think continuing to bicker over this is silly. Your original post misrepresented both the Allante and the SL horse power ratings so that you could make some point. Whether this was deliberate or accidental is something that only you know. Obviously you will claim that was an accident, I have no reason to know if that is true.
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Re: Cadillac...and others [merc1] by sls002
Jan 09, 2007 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 08, 2007 10:09 pm)

Or, as is the case here, there are no import luxury dealers. I would actually like a BMW wagon, but with the nearest dealer a 700 mile round trip away, owning a BMW seems to me not a good idea. We also do not have a Saturn dealer either, but at least Saturn's can be serviced by local GM dealers.
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Cadillac's New Era by douglasr
Jan 09, 2007 (7:29 am)
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My father's 1985 Cadillac lasted precisely 42,433 miles before the cylinder head gaskets decided to retire from active duty in the middle of an Illinois snow storm. We won't mention the V-8-6-4 (3-2-0) or the Cimarron. Lincoln has to atone for cars like Versailles, and the unreliability of its fwd 'Continental' sedans, and the failures of its air suspension systems and AC-control switches. Both marques have committed acts of extremely bad build quality and styling excesses. At one point Lincoln had passed Cadillac as a result---despite some of those failures.
 
What is important to note is what both companies did since then to recover from those mistakes. GM and Cadillac have spent billions to rebuild its product line, enhance its quality and driving engineering and performance. That Cadillac has matched its foreign competition in many aspects shows how far they have come. Cadillac, under the aegis of Bob Lutz, has had a voice of support within the company, and thus able to guide GM's pocketbook to enhance the 'Standard of the World'. That voice remains. So now it is up from here. Lincoln, on-the-other-hand, has had no such champion within the ranks of Ford Motor. Quite the opposite---it's design staff having to fight an uphill almost 'Mt. Surabatchi-like' battle against the entrenched dis-connect from William C. Ford Jr. with respect to Lincoln. Mr. Horbury's latest offering, The 'MKR'---a dramatic sedan concept that should be built at all costs---can only hope to appeal to Mr. Mulally in hopes of seeing the light of day. The public gets to vote, but they are not the deciders in Lincoln's fate. Sadly for Lincoln, the MKR represents no less than the fifth show car within as many years that Ford says 'shows the design future at Lincoln'. None were built. Will the MKR pass the public litmus test enough for Mr. Mulally to approve? At Cadillac it was different---the executives took the reigns and directed the design staffs to act---they pushed Cadillac forward from within and turned the game upside down, thus redefining the and reestablishing the brand.
 
As Americans we can only be thankful. I wouldn't want my choice of Luxury Cars to be reduced to 'which foregin made domestically produced, or imported version is available?' Lincoln is in danger of going to way of Packard, but Cadillac is alive, well, and beginning to kick to competition.
 
DouglasR
 
...as for Presidential Limousines, GM's Alfred Sloan made disparaging remarks about Mr. Truman's chances in the 1948 election, causing Mr. Truman to kick GM cars out of the White House garage. Truman was still using the 1938-9 Lincoln K 'Sunshine Special used by Roosevelt, and had considered Cadillac as a replacement, but Mr. Sloan's caustic remarks killed that plan. Henry Ford II repsonded immediately and provided 50 special White House Lincolns for use by the Chief Executive and his staff. Ford Motor kept the contract, leasing cars to the government for $1 a year---but the company bore the expense of building them. Reagan preferred Cadillacs, thus GM got its chance. Mr. Bush used the last 1989 Lincoln Limousine (specially built using a 460 V8) during his tennure, and Ford declined to build another White House limousine after that, and Cadillac has carried the Presidential livery ever since.

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