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#4901 of 4910 Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [bumpy] by circlew May 06, 2008 (7:43 am)
Replying to: bumpy (May 06, 2008 7:41 am) Exactly. No US car is a true luxury car..let alone any GM.   Regards, OW
#4902 of 4910 Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [bumpy] by 62vetteefp May 06, 2008 (9:03 am)
Replying to: bumpy (May 06, 2008 7:41 am) From what I have read the Cadillacs will use the basic floorpan architecture and cowl but use specific aluminum suspension pieces. It will have a different type suspension than the non Cadillacs.
#4903 of 4910 Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [bumpy] by aldw May 07, 2008 (6:28 am)
Replying to: bumpy (May 06, 2008 7:41 am) Without a full product setup like the Toyota/Lexus combo to compete with the Germans, no US manufacturer at this point has the product breadth and depth from the top to the bottom to really stand out in the North American marketplace, even though the capacity to do so is there. GM's canceling of the DOHC Ultra V-8 shows more lack of willpower sadly than any technical issues. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (May 07, 2008 8:05 am) sls002 (May 07, 2008 10:25 am)
#4904 of 4910 Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [aldw] by 62vetteefp May 07, 2008 (8:05 am)
Replying to: aldw (May 07, 2008 6:28 am) GM's canceling of the DOHC Ultra V-8 shows more lack of willpower sadly than any technical issues.   Certainly not lack of willpower. GM does not pay any gaz guzzler fines and has decided not ever to. Most all those V8 vehicles in the lux segments pay CAFE fines and are happy to do it. MB spent $30 million in fines in 2006. I know they (bmw/MB) have said they will use new technology to increase mpg but it will take a lot too almost double their vehicles mileage. This is assuming that most of their cars will have to get over 36 mpg to meet CAFE. Of course their are their diesels but the conversation here is about GM not building a premium gas V8.   http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/31/nhtsa-releases-06-cafe-fines-daimler-chrysler- - -takes-cake/   GM has decided that with the big jump in CAFE they cannot afford to develop a new engine platform that will either not be able to be used in a few years or take the fines. I would think they would be better off developing a premium diesel.   I guess the big question is will congress increase the fines on those who really cross the line with fines year after year? On one hand you could say go ahead and fine the vehicles and let the customers pay the fines (which is what most in government do now when they buy their lux vehicles and they certaqinly do not want their BMW's taken away). Or get really serious about it and make the fine so high that few can afford to pay it. Again I doubt that will happen because that would effect those in power.   So in the end there are just too many unknowns out there. GM will utilize the 3.6L platform and use forced induction and hybrid technology to increase power and gas mileage. And hopefully get a diesel. Replies to this message: sls002 (May 07, 2008 10:25 am)
#4905 of 4910 Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [62vetteefp] by sls002 May 07, 2008 (10:25 am)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (May 07, 2008 8:05 am) The obvious solution is an electric drive with motor generator which GM proposed with the Volt concept car. I think this is the future at GM if they can make it work.
#4906 of 4910 GGT \ GM ?? by rayainsw May 09, 2008 (5:52 am)
"Certainly not lack of willpower. GM does not pay any gaz guzzler fines and has decided not ever to"   Caddy STS-v & STS V8 AWD both are assessed the Gas Guzzler Tax... Replies to this message: lemko (May 09, 2008 5:56 am) british_rover (May 09, 2008 6:56 am) 62vetteefp (May 09, 2008 7:46 am) circlew (May 09, 2008 9:29 am)
#4907 of 4910 Re: GGT \ GM ?? [rayainsw] by lemko May 09, 2008 (5:56 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (May 09, 2008 5:52 am) I don't remember paying a guzzler tax on my DTS. Maybe I didn't look closely or it doesn't have one. Replies to this message: british_rover (May 09, 2008 6:56 am)
#4908 of 4910 Re: GGT \ GM ?? [lemko] by british_rover May 09, 2008 (6:56 am)
Replying to: lemko (May 09, 2008 5:56 am) It doesn't. A mid power level V8 and FWD don't consume enough fuel to trigger the gas guzzler tax.
#4909 of 4910 Re: GGT \ GM ?? [rayainsw] by 62vetteefp May 09, 2008 (7:46 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (May 09, 2008 5:52 am) I certainly stand corrected. Things changed in 4 years when this rule was in effect. Probably another Lutz decision.
#4910 of 4910 Re: GGT \ GM ?? [rayainsw] by circlew May 09, 2008 (9:29 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (May 09, 2008 5:52 am) Don't forget the XLR.   Regards, OW

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