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#84 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder]
Dec 22, 2006 (4:21 pm)
Actually this is untrue. It's bad reporting and lacks any analytical talent or effort. Reports like this are often picked up off the wire and reguritated without any verification.
Hybrid sales up 13.8%
Sales Slow for Hybrids
Hybrids accounted for only 1.52 percent of all vehicles sold in November. That's down from 1.77 percent in August, but up from 1.38 percent in November 2005, according to Edmunds. -end
Up from 2005, still not even 2.0% of sales.
For the Prius, days supply rose to 47 in November from seven in August, according to Toyota spokesman Xavier Dominicis.
47 days supply from 7, that is a huge change.
#85 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad]
Dec 22, 2006 (5:16 pm)
There was a press release a couple of months ago that they were going to double the shipments of Prius' now. Why Now? I'm guessing that with KY coming on stream that the line making the Prius was also making the TCH. When KY began making them it freed up capacity for more Prius'. This is only supposition though.
Nov sales are slightly higher than last year but Days Supply jumped from 7 to 47!!! It can only be extra shipments.
Maybe they are going to get agressive on the Prius as it enters it's last 18 mo's. They've covered their fixed costs and now they are going to push the volume up, even with discounts, in order to make some money??
#86 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad]
Dec 22, 2006 (7:36 pm)
Your not going to get an honest straight answer from kdhspyder. He sells Toyota's for a living. He will slant and spin whatever he needs to sell his "Toyota" products. He is a car salesman!! Car buyers who are financially smart will buy a vehicle which get good fuel economy bought at a reasonable price. I'd buy a Corolla before I'd buy a Prius. It just makes better dollar and cents. I used Toyota's just not to hurt kdhspyders feelings. I believe GM's Mild hybrid approach will be more cost effective. Compare the Saturn Vue and the Toyota Highlander Hybrids. Two different approaches one which is more cost effective.
#87 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad] [goodcrd]
Dec 22, 2006 (7:46 pm)
Hush... we've been having an intelligent interchange for over a year now and I've learned a lot from Mr. moparbad.
YOu too are entitled to your opinion. Enjoy your life.
BTW: You are right about the Corolla or Civic or Versa or Yaris. If all you want is good solid basic transportation all of these are better choices than any $20000 vehicle. But we covered that last year.
I tell this to all my clients "If you are looking to save money on transportation, DON'T buy a Prius or TCH. Buy a 3-4 y.o. Civic or Corolla with 40,000 miles on it for $11000. That's a much better choice."
However there is a whole segment of buyers for whom $25,000 to $30,000 is what they expect and want to pay for a vehicle. In this range the Prius is a bargain. The TCH even more so.
#88 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder]
Dec 22, 2006 (10:40 pm)
"I tell this to all my clients "If you are looking to save money on transportation, DON'T buy a Prius or TCH. Buy a 3-4 y.o. Civic or Corolla with 40,000 miles on it for $11000. That's a much better choice." "
I'd buy one at an auto auction before I'd buy it from a dealer. Save myself about $6K and wouldn't have to deal with a "Saleman" while buying a used car. But for 25 to 30K a New LOADED Chevy Impala is a much better buy. Safer too.
What about the comparison between a Saturn Vue hybrid and Toyota Highlander. Well! What holding you back? Lets have your spin on it.
#89 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder] [goodcrd]
Dec 23, 2006 (3:43 am)
I dodn't know anything about the Vue except that it shares the platform with the Equinox. If that's the case it not much of a competitor for the Highlander, which is a decontented Lexus.
Quick lookup here at Edmunds brings up this comment on the Vue:
Below-average build quality, undersized front seats, vague steering, missing some popular convenience and safety features.
Based on this it's hardly in the Lexus/Highlander class. Probably why it's under the radar for most people.
The 400h/HH are designed for performance with 265+ combined HP with fuel economy as a secondary benefit. The current Vue Greenline is based on a 2.4L with a BAS assist but only 160+ HP. Again these are not in the same class.
The EPA Fuel Economy benefits are....
Vue Greenline .. +15%
Again not much to get excited about here
The Vue is one of the General's quick fixes with mediocre build quality ( CR gives it a black mark for reliability ); mediocre performance and so-so fuel economy.
But it is cheaper to buy.
Now in fairness this Greenline was a stop-gap measure. The new announcement at the LAIAS about the 2-mode linked to the 3.5L with 45% better FE is something GM can be proud about... when it actually does hit the streets.
#90 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder]
Dec 23, 2006 (9:16 am)
Your numbers are slanted. The fuel economy numbers are very close to the Toy. Vue has better hwy and lower city. Overall they are about the same. Over the next two years it will out sell the Highlander Hybrid by 50%. I drove a Highlander hybrid and wasn't impressed. I ended up buying a liberty CRD because it performed and handled much better. My ex wife's highlander couldn't make it up my back driveway in the winter. Plus in the rain the Highlander plows forward instead of turning while moderately braking. As for not being in the same class. They are about the same size the Toyota is just uglier.
#91 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder] [goodcrd]
Dec 23, 2006 (9:36 am)
Now you are just being silly and making yourself look foolish.
Are you really saying that it's good that
the 2.4L 170 HP Vue Greenline gets 27 City and 32 Highway
the 3.3L V6 268 HP Highlander Hybrid gets 32 City and 27 Highway
That's pretty good that a 4c can get the same FE values as a V6 with 100 additional HP. Please be serious. Until GM improves the quality of the Vue/Equinox it will never be in the class of the Highlander quality-wise, performance-wise
Now if the 2-mode is real and performs as stated then GM may have a competitive vehicle. Highlander is due to be redone this summer. It's a moving target. The current Vue is a weak shadow of this 5 y.o. model it won't even see the sun against the new model.
Congratulations on your Liberty purchase. I was a sole supplier to Jeep for 15 years. They are an American icon.
#92 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids[kdhspyder] [moparbad] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder] [goodcrd] [kdhspyder]
Dec 23, 2006 (8:02 pm)
The combined number is 29 for both. And its subjective opinion on which is a better vehicle. The highlander is not worth 10K more then the Vue (my opinion). But I like the mild hybrid design of the vue much better then the overpriced system in the Highlander. What I really want is a Commander with the 3.0 CRD option. They don't sell it here. I drove one when I was in Australia. The interior styling could have been better but is was great to drive. Now if they would use a hybrid EV Allison trans with this Commander 3.0 CRD that would temp me to put out 40k+ for that vehicle. Should get around 28 HWY and 30 city. Add the ad blue system then the EPA should be happy.
#93 of 627 Re: Sales Slow for Hybrids [goodcrd]
Dec 24, 2006 (7:12 am)
> But I like the mild hybrid design of the vue much better then the overpriced system in the Highlander.
It's a more powerful system that is quite a bit better loaded. Heck, just the Multi-Display alone is dramatically more expensive than the "Eco" indicator light in so-called competition.
Highlander-Hybrid will later be available in 4-cylinder version. Add the missing components to Vue-Hybrid, then compare prices.
After that, consider the upcoming "full" hybrid version of Vue-Hybrid.