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Toyota Camry Hybrid, Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Honda Civic Hybrid, Ford Escape Hybrid, Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid, Lexus RX 400h, Hybrid Cars
#598 of 627 Re: This is new [larsb]
Oct 29, 2010 (11:08 am)
According to Edmunds the retained value after 5 years is as follows:
TCH 53.6%, XLE I-4 53.6%, LE I-4 Auto 53.4%
All 3 Camrys depreciate at virtually the same rate.
Please provide Edmunds with guidance on the flaws in their True Cost To Own system.
#599 of 627 Re: This is new [bamacar]
Oct 29, 2010 (12:06 pm)
Well, I was right on the XLE and TCH, but it is surprising to me that the LE hangs in so close.
#600 of 627 Re: This is new [larsb]
Oct 29, 2010 (12:45 pm)
sorry for opening a can of warms...but I am still puzzled by the cost of ownership that factors the gas expense being about the same for hybrid and a non hybrid cars..and if maintenance and depreciation is the same and the gas expense is 30% lower for hybrid cars, how do you reconcile the numbers?... and what's the rhyme or reason for even looking at a hybrid?
#601 of 627 Re: This is new [connecticut2]
Oct 29, 2010 (9:12 pm)
Not sure how I can keep saying the same thing. For example see the following comparison.
Here is the TCH: TCH TCO
Here is the Accord EX 4cyl Auto: Accord EX TCO
TCH saves $1600 dollars in fuel over 5 years. Maintenance costs are almost identical. Accord saves $1100 dollars in depreciation (roughly same rate on a smaller purchase price). Accord saves $470 in finance costs (smaller amount borrowed for cheaper car). Accord saves $430 in taxes (once again lower purchase price). Accord saves about $1150 for insurance (slight surprise here but somewhat based on lower purchase price again -maybe value of repairs higher on hybrid?). Total advantage to Accord about $1600. Mystery solved.
#602 of 627 Re: This is new [bamacar]
Oct 30, 2010 (6:38 am)
Well, right now, today, the Edmunds "TMV - What others are paying" for the TCH is around $400 more than the Accord.
Accord EX: $24,271
Not much gained on the "lower purchase price" factor there. That eliminates almost all of the "smaller purchase price, finance costs, taxes, and insurance" advantages you listed.
A person can "keep saying the same thing" as long as they want, but they gotta expect that they might not be correct sometimes. Happens to all of us. We all have opinions on things, and sometimes those opinions can be backed with facts, and other times we get caught assuming things based on common sense which in turn are shown to be "only a feeling" and not factually correct. No Biggie. No harm no foul. It's All Good.
#603 of 627 Re: This is new [larsb]
Oct 30, 2010 (4:12 pm)
Please stop the personal attacks. I have 100 percent correctly stated the facts about the Edmunds True Cost to Own system
I was asked what was the difference between the Accord and TCH for the Total Cost to Own. Once again if you have a problem with the Total Cost to Own system by Edmunds, complain. Personal attacks against the messenger do not gain anything.
Edmunds Total Cost of Ownership used a True Market price of 26949 for TCH and the True Market Price for the Accord EX is 24271. Once again this is what Edmunds is using. I gave you the facts; no opinions here.
#604 of 627 Re: This is new [bamacar]
Oct 31, 2010 (6:02 am)
There was no personal attack at ALL.
I just stated some philosophical truths that apply to ALL of us.
Nothing I said was or should be incorrectly interpreted as a personal attack on any person.
#605 of 627 This VW Hybrid of the near-future looks cool
Jan 29, 2011 (1:49 pm)
..When Ed Niedermeyer reported about Volkswagen’s new sub One Liter (235 mpg) car, the XL1, currently on display in Qatar, he prognosticated that this “One Liter car represents a step closer to production.” A very close step, as it turns out.
Automobilwoche [sub] heard in Qatar both from Piech and Winterkorn that Volkswagen will actually build a small series (about 100 first) of the car. Piech confirmed that the car will be made available for purchase at a yet undisclosed price. It’s not just a field test.
According to Winterkorn, the car will be introduced in Germany first. The U.S. and China will follow at a later point in time.
200+ MPG VW Hybrid coming to production
#606 of 627 Value of Hybrid
May 31, 2011 (11:54 am)
The Blue book value of my 2009 Camry Hybrid has increased. After my trade in, it now is worth more than what I financed on it.
Further, I have heated mirrors, illuminated vanity mirrors, leather interior, power steering, power driver seat, moonroof, , JBL system with CD changer, bluetooth, alloy wheels,, auto dim mirror with compass, and a storage armrest. I have the smartkey system, navigation system, and heated seats. One disadvantage is my trunk cargo space is decresed maybe 25 % for traction battery storage. One other item. The Camry Hybrid had much lower than average maintenance costs. In all the years the Prius has been around, including a 400, 000 mile taxi in Mexico, not one traction battery has failed.
#607 of 627 press request
by kirstie_h HOST
Jul 05, 2011 (1:33 pm)
A reporter seeks to interview someone in the market for a new Toyota Prius who cannot find one on dealer lots. Please email predmunds.com no later than Thursday, July 7, 2011 with your daytime contact information if you care to share your story.