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Replying to: gagrice (May 27, 2009 1:33 pm) Gary says, "To just stick with the facts. The Prius is an ugly, poor handling, noisy, rough riding, unstable, and gets stuck easy in snow or ice." Most of those are not facts at all. Every one of them is an opinion of yours and a few other people who don't own Priuses. The only ones that are SORTA true in certain cases are the handling issue and the ice issue. But many people don't need great handling to be happy with their cars. Those of us who have outgrown the childish thrill of taking corners unsafely fast do not need "handling" to be high on our list of important things. There are many many Prius owners who drive the car in snow and ice. Some of them have indeed had problems. But a lot of them are just fine. The Prius is not a 4wd vehicle with snow tires. P.S. As I frequently get "called out" on posting "opinions" which are accused of being "facts" I understand why you think those things are facts, Gary. But they just ain't.
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Replying to: larsb (May 27, 2009 1:52 pm)  In the news: Most major automakers, and a handful of small start ups, are now developing electric cars, or range-extended electrics that run on battery power alone for long distances before activating a gasoline generator. The vehicles promise the performance drivers are accustomed to from gasoline-powered cars, together with savings at the pump and a tremendous improvement in emissions. But there's a problem. They're quiet. Eerily quiet. So quiet that visually-impaired people sometimes don't even know a car is near them. A new bill making its way through Congress would change that. Autoblog reports, "The bipartisan bill would require that the government ‘conduct a study on how to protect the blind and others from being injured or killed by vehicles using hybrid, electric, and other silent engine technologies.'" |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 27, 2009 1:33 pm) You had me in tears with that one!  Thank you. |
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Replying to: larsb (May 27, 2009 6:08 am) I've laughed until I fell out of my chair (yes I have enjoyed this discussion). My opinion hasn't changed, nor is it going to. I wouldn't own a Prius if you gave it to me. I would, however, turn around and sell it (at a discount) to a someone who wished to purchase it (read as a greenie). The Prius just reminds me of a corvair. Something about "unsafe at any speed". I've tried to imagine getting T-boned at an intersection with all those wonderful batteries. Enough to give me the willies. Please notice there are no big letters, or small letters. No data, no studies, no awards. Just my wee little voice with my opinion and my definition. I don't like the Prius, I think it's a poc.
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 27, 2009 6:20 pm) By your last post you show that you have no clue about what you are writing. Batteries have nothing to do with anything in a collision. But I can see here that you are about to respond and put your foot in your mouth so go right ahead.....[lamb-to-the-slaughter comes to mind]. BTW your personal opinion has no bearing on anything except your personal choice. But before you go get all in a huff about 'where do you come off.....' the answer is 'Yes I do know more about them than you do.' But your personal incorrect opinion is perfectly valid for you personally. 'Nothing to see here, move on.' |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 27, 2009 6:20 pm) I have proven yours to be wrong. Go ahead and keep your opinion, though. You seem to be happy with it. It's wrong though. |
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2010 Prius, more of a "driver's car" for all the whiners who for some reason like to drive a car like they are 16 again: Review: 2010 Toyota Prius a miser with new moves As for the suspension, it actually has some roll control now, and the whole car feels tighter than ever. In fact, if anything, it might be a bit too tight in terms of damping. Small road inputs (on the rare occasion that you can find such a thing in Michigan) are transmitted a bit too directly to the driver's back side. While the ride and handling balance is certainly more geared to enthusiasts than before, it could still use a bit of tweaking. The Prius still understeers at the limit like most mainstream front-wheel-drive cars, but it never feels out of control. The new Prius is no longer just an appliance for commuting. It's almost fun to drive. Toyota just needs to apply some more of its Kaizen philosophy of continual improvement to the ride and handling and we can call it good. |
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TCH is highest rated 2009 Hybrid: Consumers' Top Rated for 2009 Hybrid Hybrid: Toyota Camry Hybrid Toyota Camry Hybrid The Toyota Camry Hybrid may not have the pop culture appeal of the Prius, but our consumer reviewers have rated it as the best hybrid in the 2009 Consumers' Top Rated Awards. We have a good idea why this car is so popular among owners, who rated the Camry Hybrid quite a bit higher than our editors have. The Camry Hybrid is easy to drive, has a quiet ride and offers plenty of high-tech features. In a recent road test review, our editors wrote: "Unlike the Prius, it never gives you the sense that you're driving a science experiment. The Camry Hybrid is every bit a Camry, except it uses less gas." Although its fuel economy isn't the highest in the hybrid segment, many owner-reviewers noted that they were able to get fuel-economy numbers well above 40 mpg. A few owners considered buying a luxury sedan, but ultimately decided on the Camry Hybrid. All of them were happy with their decision. |
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On May 28, we paid $24,250 for a 2010 Prius and on the way home, running bi-directional, cruise control runs, we got: 67 MPG 50 mph; 62 MPG60 mpg; 55 MPG65 mph; 53 MPG70 mph; 49 MPG75 mph. We sold a 2001 Echo for part of the 2010 costs and have never looked back. The 2010 Prius has more room, quieter, and more power. The body is stronger and includes multiple airbags. It fact, it includes pedestrian collapsing hood, quarter panels and bumper to make pedestrian accidents survivable ... something missing from just about any other vehicle. We've looked at the Prius-pedestrian accidents and from 2001-2007, the years we have accident data and the Prius, there have been only 11, Prius-only and pedestrian fatalities. Near as we can tell this period covers 5.8 billion Prius miles. The raw accident data suggests the Prius from 2001-2007 has had about 0.9 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles compared to 1.6 fatalities for all USA vehicles as reported by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. When Prius skeptics don't have facts and data, a common problem, they just make them up. That is OK since it gives Prius owners an opportunity to get the facts and data, the truth, and smite the skeptics with a clue-by-four. FYI, our other car is a 2003 Prius with 120,000 miles getting 52.1 MPG after the 70,000 miles I've put on it in three and a half years. The battery, transaxle and engine are fine and I'm looking forward to driving it until the wheels fall off. So in a time of poor vehicle sales, we paid $24,250 for a brand new 2010 Prius and know that we got a great deal. We have a car whose mileage off the dealer lot can not be beat; whose safety features are outstanding; and will due to the lack of stress and strain, run quietly and efficiently long into the future ... certainly longer than the Hummers recently sold to China. Bob Wilson Huntsville, AL
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