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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) Larsb was assuming that you would have been aware of the reliability ratings and JD Power surveys concerning the Prius. This is the data and facts that show that it's not a POC from a neutral perspective. In the latest Consumer Report annual survey the No 1 rated family vehicle in N America is the Prius. This measures dependability, reliability and cost effectiveness ( different than acquisition cost ). In JD Power's survey of owners who would 're-up' on the same vehicle the leading vehicle is the Prius with 93% of owners saying that they would. The Corvette is 2nd at 92% and the Mini is third at 91%. In every measure the Prius is the most fuel efficient high-volume vehicle on the road in N America. Now subjective measures such as yours are equally valid but that doesn't classify the vehicle as a POC. It only says that in your opinion you don't like it. The other measures indicate that it's far from POC-status. Those are the facts. |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) I have never owned a Prius. I have owned a Honda Civic hybrid and I now drive a 2007 Camry hybrid. |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 27, 2009 5:07 am) I think it will be good and a local Toyota dealership to cover all the recalls and failures.  Seriously, gas is cheaper than diesel on Maui most of the time. That long list of useless awards for the Prius are pushed by the greenies like Larsb, that think the hybrids are going to do something to save the World. Awards mean NOTHING anymore. They give them to every kid in school so no one is left out. Some of the Worst cars in our history were "Car of the Year". To just stick with the facts. The Prius is an ugly, poor handling, noisy, rough riding, unstable, and gets stuck easy in snow or ice. See larsb I can make big letters also.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 27, 2009 1:33 pm) Gary says, "To just stick with the facts. The Prius is an ugly, poor handling, noisy, rough riding, unstable, and gets stuck easy in snow or ice." Most of those are not facts at all. Every one of them is an opinion of yours and a few other people who don't own Priuses. The only ones that are SORTA true in certain cases are the handling issue and the ice issue. But many people don't need great handling to be happy with their cars. Those of us who have outgrown the childish thrill of taking corners unsafely fast do not need "handling" to be high on our list of important things. There are many many Prius owners who drive the car in snow and ice. Some of them have indeed had problems. But a lot of them are just fine. The Prius is not a 4wd vehicle with snow tires. P.S. As I frequently get "called out" on posting "opinions" which are accused of being "facts" I understand why you think those things are facts, Gary. But they just ain't.
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Replying to: larsb (May 27, 2009 1:52 pm)  In the news: Most major automakers, and a handful of small start ups, are now developing electric cars, or range-extended electrics that run on battery power alone for long distances before activating a gasoline generator. The vehicles promise the performance drivers are accustomed to from gasoline-powered cars, together with savings at the pump and a tremendous improvement in emissions. But there's a problem. They're quiet. Eerily quiet. So quiet that visually-impaired people sometimes don't even know a car is near them. A new bill making its way through Congress would change that. Autoblog reports, "The bipartisan bill would require that the government ‘conduct a study on how to protect the blind and others from being injured or killed by vehicles using hybrid, electric, and other silent engine technologies.'" |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 27, 2009 1:33 pm) You had me in tears with that one!  Thank you. |
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Replying to: larsb (May 27, 2009 6:08 am) I've laughed until I fell out of my chair (yes I have enjoyed this discussion). My opinion hasn't changed, nor is it going to. I wouldn't own a Prius if you gave it to me. I would, however, turn around and sell it (at a discount) to a someone who wished to purchase it (read as a greenie). The Prius just reminds me of a corvair. Something about "unsafe at any speed". I've tried to imagine getting T-boned at an intersection with all those wonderful batteries. Enough to give me the willies. Please notice there are no big letters, or small letters. No data, no studies, no awards. Just my wee little voice with my opinion and my definition. I don't like the Prius, I think it's a poc.
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 27, 2009 6:20 pm) By your last post you show that you have no clue about what you are writing. Batteries have nothing to do with anything in a collision. But I can see here that you are about to respond and put your foot in your mouth so go right ahead.....[lamb-to-the-slaughter comes to mind]. BTW your personal opinion has no bearing on anything except your personal choice. But before you go get all in a huff about 'where do you come off.....' the answer is 'Yes I do know more about them than you do.' But your personal incorrect opinion is perfectly valid for you personally. 'Nothing to see here, move on.' |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 27, 2009 6:20 pm) I have proven yours to be wrong. Go ahead and keep your opinion, though. You seem to be happy with it. It's wrong though. |
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2010 Prius, more of a "driver's car" for all the whiners who for some reason like to drive a car like they are 16 again: Review: 2010 Toyota Prius a miser with new moves As for the suspension, it actually has some roll control now, and the whole car feels tighter than ever. In fact, if anything, it might be a bit too tight in terms of damping. Small road inputs (on the rare occasion that you can find such a thing in Michigan) are transmitted a bit too directly to the driver's back side. While the ride and handling balance is certainly more geared to enthusiasts than before, it could still use a bit of tweaking. The Prius still understeers at the limit like most mainstream front-wheel-drive cars, but it never feels out of control. The new Prius is no longer just an appliance for commuting. It's almost fun to drive. Toyota just needs to apply some more of its Kaizen philosophy of continual improvement to the ride and handling and we can call it good. |
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