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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) And of course I do agree with you. I use the term POC very loosely to describe most anything I don't like. The hybrids and the Prius in particular. That does not mean that I have not recommended it to a narrow band of friends with a need that it fits. I find it fits a very narrow spectrum of the car buying public. Update on my pastor friend headed to Maui. I suggested he go to Toyota finance and be a little more aggressive in explaining his situation. Also not to talk to anyone below the top person. He did and they offered a very favorable finance package that got him out of that horrible lease. He will be taking the Prius to Maui. Which is about as good as he can get for over there. Not as good as a Jetta TDI, but he already has the Prius.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 26, 2009 8:25 pm) I've been looking at the Jetta tdi. Very nice. It is just a little beyond my price point. Although, I'm very tempted. I've decided to wait until the end of the year. I'm hoping the new Golf tdi comes in sub 20k. Any idea if the Golf tdi will hit my price point, and if it will come in before year end? Unfortunately, VW is usually mysterious about this stuff. Glad to hear you minister friend is doing well. The Prius would be a good choice for the Islands. Top speed over there is 45 mph? |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) What data? Are you kidding me? Are you new to the hybrid world? The Prius has won multiple "Car of the Year" awards, has been rated as one of the best-liked and most reliable car by every owner survey ever published, ANYWHERE, and has turned the whole car world on it's ear. Hideous and over-priced STILL DOES NOT MAKE IT A PIECE OF CRAP. Just stop saying that - it's ridiculous. "Piece of Crap" - usually defined as something which is built poorly, falls apart, does not perform it's designed duties, etc. In the car world, it would be defined as a car which breaks down a lot or is in the shop a lot, or is poorly built, or which has cheap components which break easily and frequently, or otherwise is a pain to own and maintain. And I can tell you WITH 100% CERTAINTY that a Prius does not fit any of those definitions. You can dislike it all you want - but a piece of crap, it's not. Give it up. Awards: * 1997–98 Car of the Year Japan[146] * 2003 Scientific American names Toyota Motor Corporation as "Business Leader of the Year" ("Scientific American 50"; December, 2003) for its singular accomplishment in the commercialization of affordable hybrid cars. * Motor Trend Car of the Year, 2004[19] * Car and Driver magazine's Ten Best list for 2004. * North American Car of the Year award for 2004. Nominated in 2001. * International Engine of the Year for 2004. * "Best Engineered Vehicle for 2004" by SAE's Automotive Engineering International magazine.[147] * 2005 European Car of the Year (406 points, ahead of Citroën C4 with 267 points and Ford Focus II with 228).[148] * 2006 EnerGuide Award (Midsize)[149] * 2006 Intellichoice Best Overall Value of the Year, Midsize[150] * 2007 Intellichoice Best in Class Winner :Best Retained Value, Lowest Fuel, Lowest Operating Costs, Lowest Ownership Costs[151] * Swiss government named Toyota Prius the world's greenest car in a draft study of over 6,000 cars.[152] * Green Engine of the Year 2008 from International Engine of the Year Awards.[153] * 2008 Nominated for WhatGreenCar.com Car of the Year Awards 2008, shortlisted for the UK's top Green Car Awards * JD Power and Associates "Most Dependable Compact Car" for 2008[154] and 2009[155] Prius Toyota Prius buyers are the most satisfied vehicle owners, according to Consumer Reports testers and consumers who rated vehicle reliability in a new study released on Thursday. The Chevrolet Corvette took 2nd place in the satisfaction poll. Perfect car? Of course not. Are you allowed to dislike it. OF COURSE YOU ARE. But a piece of crap? No Flippin Way.
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) Larsb was assuming that you would have been aware of the reliability ratings and JD Power surveys concerning the Prius. This is the data and facts that show that it's not a POC from a neutral perspective. In the latest Consumer Report annual survey the No 1 rated family vehicle in N America is the Prius. This measures dependability, reliability and cost effectiveness ( different than acquisition cost ). In JD Power's survey of owners who would 're-up' on the same vehicle the leading vehicle is the Prius with 93% of owners saying that they would. The Corvette is 2nd at 92% and the Mini is third at 91%. In every measure the Prius is the most fuel efficient high-volume vehicle on the road in N America. Now subjective measures such as yours are equally valid but that doesn't classify the vehicle as a POC. It only says that in your opinion you don't like it. The other measures indicate that it's far from POC-status. Those are the facts. |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) I have never owned a Prius. I have owned a Honda Civic hybrid and I now drive a 2007 Camry hybrid. |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 27, 2009 5:07 am) I think it will be good and a local Toyota dealership to cover all the recalls and failures.  Seriously, gas is cheaper than diesel on Maui most of the time. That long list of useless awards for the Prius are pushed by the greenies like Larsb, that think the hybrids are going to do something to save the World. Awards mean NOTHING anymore. They give them to every kid in school so no one is left out. Some of the Worst cars in our history were "Car of the Year". To just stick with the facts. The Prius is an ugly, poor handling, noisy, rough riding, unstable, and gets stuck easy in snow or ice. See larsb I can make big letters also.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 27, 2009 1:33 pm) Gary says, "To just stick with the facts. The Prius is an ugly, poor handling, noisy, rough riding, unstable, and gets stuck easy in snow or ice." Most of those are not facts at all. Every one of them is an opinion of yours and a few other people who don't own Priuses. The only ones that are SORTA true in certain cases are the handling issue and the ice issue. But many people don't need great handling to be happy with their cars. Those of us who have outgrown the childish thrill of taking corners unsafely fast do not need "handling" to be high on our list of important things. There are many many Prius owners who drive the car in snow and ice. Some of them have indeed had problems. But a lot of them are just fine. The Prius is not a 4wd vehicle with snow tires. P.S. As I frequently get "called out" on posting "opinions" which are accused of being "facts" I understand why you think those things are facts, Gary. But they just ain't.
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Replying to: larsb (May 27, 2009 1:52 pm)  In the news: Most major automakers, and a handful of small start ups, are now developing electric cars, or range-extended electrics that run on battery power alone for long distances before activating a gasoline generator. The vehicles promise the performance drivers are accustomed to from gasoline-powered cars, together with savings at the pump and a tremendous improvement in emissions. But there's a problem. They're quiet. Eerily quiet. So quiet that visually-impaired people sometimes don't even know a car is near them. A new bill making its way through Congress would change that. Autoblog reports, "The bipartisan bill would require that the government ‘conduct a study on how to protect the blind and others from being injured or killed by vehicles using hybrid, electric, and other silent engine technologies.'" |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 27, 2009 1:33 pm) You had me in tears with that one!  Thank you. |
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Replying to: larsb (May 27, 2009 6:08 am) I've laughed until I fell out of my chair (yes I have enjoyed this discussion). My opinion hasn't changed, nor is it going to. I wouldn't own a Prius if you gave it to me. I would, however, turn around and sell it (at a discount) to a someone who wished to purchase it (read as a greenie). The Prius just reminds me of a corvair. Something about "unsafe at any speed". I've tried to imagine getting T-boned at an intersection with all those wonderful batteries. Enough to give me the willies. Please notice there are no big letters, or small letters. No data, no studies, no awards. Just my wee little voice with my opinion and my definition. I don't like the Prius, I think it's a poc.
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