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Replying to: gagrice (May 21, 2009 3:49 pm) But this is a Camry hybrid msg board, no? The difference between the regular Camry and the hybrid version, excluding better gas mileage, is very small. Whether it pencils out on a cost-benefit basis is another question. The hybrid Camry delivers better gas mileage in a car that is the equal of the regular version.
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Replying to: lzc (May 24, 2009 7:04 am) |
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Let's not turn this discussion into something it's not. There's the off-topic forum where you can get into politics if you want. And PLEASE stop making these things personal. It's hard enough to keep things from spiraling out of control with disagreements about cars. Once you start throwing in personal comments about each other, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Thanks for your cooperation and participation |
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Anyone saying a Prius is a "piece of crap" is completely ignoring reality. Certain people might not like the ride, or the seats, or the road noise (which has been measured by multiple car testers as QUIET), but those are the RARE few exceptions to the rule. By rule, a VAST, HUGELY CORRECT majority of Prius owners love their car because of the car. It's a great car. Almost every review on the internet sings it's praises. Is it the perfect car? No. Is it a "driver's car" for people who like speed and the childish delight of taking a corner about 40 Mph faster than the recommended speed? No. Is it a great car for someone who spends all day climbing up and down hills at 70 MPH? No. But for what it is: A midsize car with great storage space, great mileage, great reliability, great resale value, great insulation against rising gas prices, it is a fabulous car.
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Replying to: larsb (May 26, 2009 6:18 am) I have been following this and decided to jump in. Anyone saying a Prius is a "piece of crap" is completely ignoring reality. Not true. What they are saying is that for them, the Prius is a POC. Maybe, it's your dream car. Good enough. For others, it's a POC. That's not ignoring reality, that's expressing an opinion. Certain people might not like the ride, or the seats, or the road noise (which has been measured by multiple car testers as QUIET), but those are the RARE few exceptions to the rule. The first part of your statement is fine but then you add your opinion by adding "RARE". I beg to differ. I know several folks, myself included, who have driven the hybrids (civic, insight, prius) and don't like them. In fact, I don't know anyone who has driven them and likes them. Maybe I know all the rare few exceptions? Is it a "driver's car" for people who like speed and the childish delight of taking a corner about 40 Mph faster than the recommended speed? No. Once again you are inserting your opinion and making an attack on anyone who disagrees. Not exactly objective, or likely to sway anyone to your side. But for what it is: A midsize car with great storage space, great mileage, great reliability, great resale value, great insulation against rising gas prices, it is a fabulous car. For you, it's all those things. That's great. Please don't attempt to put anyone down who doesn't agree with your statements. It detracts from them. Alot.
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 8:34 am) Not true. What they are saying is that for them, the Prius is a POC. Maybe, it's your dream car. Good enough. For others, it's a POC. That's not ignoring reality, that's expressing an opinion. Disliking a particular car, disliking how it rides or handles, does not turn the car into a "piece of crap." It turns it into a "car you don't like." That's all. Every bit of data available shows the Prius, with exceptions like every other GOOD car, to have good build quality, satisfied owners, and high reliability. That's not opinion, but again facts. The first part of your statement is fine but then you add your opinion by adding "RARE". I beg to differ. I know several folks, myself included, who have driven the hybrids (civic, insight, prius) and don't like them. In fact, I don't know anyone who has driven them and likes them. Maybe I know all the rare few exceptions? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is that I can match thousands of happy owners against your "few" people anytime you want. So, yes, it's RARE. But Kdh can better reply to this, as a car salesman. We should defer to his experience: How many people come in and test drive a Prius and then walk away because they don't like the car? My guess is not many. Most who don't buy after a test drive, I would bet, just want a larger or smaller car based on needs or budgets and just wanted to try a Prius just for the sake of trying it. But for what it is: A midsize car with great storage space, great mileage, great reliability, great resale value, great insulation against rising gas prices, it is a fabulous car. Hard to find anything online or anywhere else that in anything other than small percentages disagrees with the points in that statement. It might be an opinion, but it's based on facts of seeing, meeting, talking to, and communicating with hundreds of Prius owners over the past 5 years, driving and riding in multiple Priuses, and reading virtually every online review posted. A well-educated opinion to say the least. The Prius is not for everyone. But for what it does, it does well. It's not a piece of crap by any definition.
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mini-Review: Lexus HS 250h: It's a hybrid, but it's not a Prius |
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Replying to: larsb (May 26, 2009 9:10 am) You're attempting to take your opinion and make them fact. Thinly veiled facts? Puulease! It's either fact, or opinion, there is no gray. Disliking a particular car, disliking how it rides or handles, does not turn the car into a "piece of crap." It turns it into a "car you don't like." That's all. Now you are trying this into a semantics game? In my opinion, POC equals a car I don't like. Maybe, this is not your definition. Maybe, it's not websters. It is mine. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Every bit of data available shows the Prius, with exceptions like every other GOOD car, to have good build quality, satisfied owners, and high reliability. Again, you offer nothing but opinion here (especially if you poll current prius owners). What data? I still don't like it. I still think it's a POC. It definitely ain't for me. It's hideous and over-priced. It can't get out of it's own way. Again, my story and I'm sticking to it. But Kdh can better reply to this, as a car salesman. We should defer to his experience: How many people come in and test drive a Prius and then walk away because they don't like the car? You're not using a proper sample here. Don't you think the majority of people going into a showroom to test a Prius already like it? They're researched it, talked to current owners, etc.. They're already partially\completely sold before they enter the dealership. You could say this about most cars. A better way to express this might be to divide the total number of cars on the road by the number of Prius's (sp?). How many people don't bother to enter the showroom because they don't like it? The Prius is not for everyone. But for what it does, it does well. It's not a piece of crap by any definition. Again, you offer an opinion. Apparently, you love your Prius. There are a few thousand others like you out there. That's ok. Drive well. For me, and for a few of us "rare" folk out there, it's a POC. At least I can admit it's my opinion (and my definition). |
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 7:19 pm) And of course I do agree with you. I use the term POC very loosely to describe most anything I don't like. The hybrids and the Prius in particular. That does not mean that I have not recommended it to a narrow band of friends with a need that it fits. I find it fits a very narrow spectrum of the car buying public. Update on my pastor friend headed to Maui. I suggested he go to Toyota finance and be a little more aggressive in explaining his situation. Also not to talk to anyone below the top person. He did and they offered a very favorable finance package that got him out of that horrible lease. He will be taking the Prius to Maui. Which is about as good as he can get for over there. Not as good as a Jetta TDI, but he already has the Prius.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 26, 2009 8:25 pm) I've been looking at the Jetta tdi. Very nice. It is just a little beyond my price point. Although, I'm very tempted. I've decided to wait until the end of the year. I'm hoping the new Golf tdi comes in sub 20k. Any idea if the Golf tdi will hit my price point, and if it will come in before year end? Unfortunately, VW is usually mysterious about this stuff. Glad to hear you minister friend is doing well. The Prius would be a good choice for the Islands. Top speed over there is 45 mph? |
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