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Replying to: gagrice (May 23, 2009 8:02 pm) It's the perversion of fact and truth that annoys the crap out of me. To wit... You may like the direction our President is headed, taking over banks and auto makers. I don't. I don't like his direction for the future of the automobile even a little bit. This was done in the last Administration. Your mistaken impressions are based on false premises. As regards the new vehicle lineup, you simply don't understand the new regs and you're shooting from the hip with no facts combined with erroneous beliefs. It's no wonder that you're almost always wrong. Research my friend. It'll do wonders for your outlook. I have no views on the BOF segment at all except what the buying public shows me, except what the monthly sales stats show since 2001, except what the CEOs of Ford and GM told the public last year.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 23, 2009 8:25 pm) And you base your opinions on the buying public? The same ignorant souls that pay big bucks for a Prius when gas prices are high, and don't even look at them when gas is cheap. My opinion is now and will remain that well made BOF vehicles are safer and inherently longer lasting. Research my friend. It'll do wonders for your outlook. I do a lot of research. Sometimes your statements are correct and sometimes you spin the facts to say what you want to believe. The poor rating of the Scion tC comes to mind. I did not defend what our past administration did in regards to the TARP money squandered on banks and the auto industry. I listened to hope and change for a year from President Obama, and get exactly the same politics as usual since he has been sworn in. Add to that he has alienated most of the people that still have enough money to get things rolling again. I look for a combo of FDR and Carter making a small recession into a BIG one. Getting back to the Insight or any other hybrid in that class. I will reconsider my view when I find one that will take me from my place of shopping to my home, at the speed limit without the engine screaming up over 3000 RPM. Same reason I hate 4 cylinder gas engines. They do not have enough power except for flatlanders. An engine that will not haul my vehicle from Costco to home without going over 2500 RPM at 70 MPH is inadequate for my needs. |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 21, 2009 3:49 pm) But this is a Camry hybrid msg board, no? The difference between the regular Camry and the hybrid version, excluding better gas mileage, is very small. Whether it pencils out on a cost-benefit basis is another question. The hybrid Camry delivers better gas mileage in a car that is the equal of the regular version.
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Replying to: lzc (May 24, 2009 7:04 am) |
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Let's not turn this discussion into something it's not. There's the off-topic forum where you can get into politics if you want. And PLEASE stop making these things personal. It's hard enough to keep things from spiraling out of control with disagreements about cars. Once you start throwing in personal comments about each other, it's like throwing gasoline on the fire. Thanks for your cooperation and participation |
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Anyone saying a Prius is a "piece of crap" is completely ignoring reality. Certain people might not like the ride, or the seats, or the road noise (which has been measured by multiple car testers as QUIET), but those are the RARE few exceptions to the rule. By rule, a VAST, HUGELY CORRECT majority of Prius owners love their car because of the car. It's a great car. Almost every review on the internet sings it's praises. Is it the perfect car? No. Is it a "driver's car" for people who like speed and the childish delight of taking a corner about 40 Mph faster than the recommended speed? No. Is it a great car for someone who spends all day climbing up and down hills at 70 MPH? No. But for what it is: A midsize car with great storage space, great mileage, great reliability, great resale value, great insulation against rising gas prices, it is a fabulous car.
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Replying to: larsb (May 26, 2009 6:18 am) I have been following this and decided to jump in. Anyone saying a Prius is a "piece of crap" is completely ignoring reality. Not true. What they are saying is that for them, the Prius is a POC. Maybe, it's your dream car. Good enough. For others, it's a POC. That's not ignoring reality, that's expressing an opinion. Certain people might not like the ride, or the seats, or the road noise (which has been measured by multiple car testers as QUIET), but those are the RARE few exceptions to the rule. The first part of your statement is fine but then you add your opinion by adding "RARE". I beg to differ. I know several folks, myself included, who have driven the hybrids (civic, insight, prius) and don't like them. In fact, I don't know anyone who has driven them and likes them. Maybe I know all the rare few exceptions? Is it a "driver's car" for people who like speed and the childish delight of taking a corner about 40 Mph faster than the recommended speed? No. Once again you are inserting your opinion and making an attack on anyone who disagrees. Not exactly objective, or likely to sway anyone to your side. But for what it is: A midsize car with great storage space, great mileage, great reliability, great resale value, great insulation against rising gas prices, it is a fabulous car. For you, it's all those things. That's great. Please don't attempt to put anyone down who doesn't agree with your statements. It detracts from them. Alot.
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Replying to: familydadx4 (May 26, 2009 8:34 am) Not true. What they are saying is that for them, the Prius is a POC. Maybe, it's your dream car. Good enough. For others, it's a POC. That's not ignoring reality, that's expressing an opinion. Disliking a particular car, disliking how it rides or handles, does not turn the car into a "piece of crap." It turns it into a "car you don't like." That's all. Every bit of data available shows the Prius, with exceptions like every other GOOD car, to have good build quality, satisfied owners, and high reliability. That's not opinion, but again facts. The first part of your statement is fine but then you add your opinion by adding "RARE". I beg to differ. I know several folks, myself included, who have driven the hybrids (civic, insight, prius) and don't like them. In fact, I don't know anyone who has driven them and likes them. Maybe I know all the rare few exceptions? Well, the first thing that comes to mind is that I can match thousands of happy owners against your "few" people anytime you want. So, yes, it's RARE. But Kdh can better reply to this, as a car salesman. We should defer to his experience: How many people come in and test drive a Prius and then walk away because they don't like the car? My guess is not many. Most who don't buy after a test drive, I would bet, just want a larger or smaller car based on needs or budgets and just wanted to try a Prius just for the sake of trying it. But for what it is: A midsize car with great storage space, great mileage, great reliability, great resale value, great insulation against rising gas prices, it is a fabulous car. Hard to find anything online or anywhere else that in anything other than small percentages disagrees with the points in that statement. It might be an opinion, but it's based on facts of seeing, meeting, talking to, and communicating with hundreds of Prius owners over the past 5 years, driving and riding in multiple Priuses, and reading virtually every online review posted. A well-educated opinion to say the least. The Prius is not for everyone. But for what it does, it does well. It's not a piece of crap by any definition.
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mini-Review: Lexus HS 250h: It's a hybrid, but it's not a Prius |
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Replying to: larsb (May 26, 2009 9:10 am) You're attempting to take your opinion and make them fact. Thinly veiled facts? Puulease! It's either fact, or opinion, there is no gray. Disliking a particular car, disliking how it rides or handles, does not turn the car into a "piece of crap." It turns it into a "car you don't like." That's all. Now you are trying this into a semantics game? In my opinion, POC equals a car I don't like. Maybe, this is not your definition. Maybe, it's not websters. It is mine. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Every bit of data available shows the Prius, with exceptions like every other GOOD car, to have good build quality, satisfied owners, and high reliability. Again, you offer nothing but opinion here (especially if you poll current prius owners). What data? I still don't like it. I still think it's a POC. It definitely ain't for me. It's hideous and over-priced. It can't get out of it's own way. Again, my story and I'm sticking to it. But Kdh can better reply to this, as a car salesman. We should defer to his experience: How many people come in and test drive a Prius and then walk away because they don't like the car? You're not using a proper sample here. Don't you think the majority of people going into a showroom to test a Prius already like it? They're researched it, talked to current owners, etc.. They're already partially\completely sold before they enter the dealership. You could say this about most cars. A better way to express this might be to divide the total number of cars on the road by the number of Prius's (sp?). How many people don't bother to enter the showroom because they don't like it? The Prius is not for everyone. But for what it does, it does well. It's not a piece of crap by any definition. Again, you offer an opinion. Apparently, you love your Prius. There are a few thousand others like you out there. That's ok. Drive well. For me, and for a few of us "rare" folk out there, it's a POC. At least I can admit it's my opinion (and my definition). |
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