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Replying to: larsb (May 21, 2009 12:42 pm) He was also anti-diesel until he spent a couple days driving the VW Golf TDI. That is the difference. The more you drive a hybrid the more you hate them. Diesel vehicles are just the opposite.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 21, 2009 1:33 pm) This part is right, Maybe: Diesel vehicles are just the opposite. But this part is TOTALLY INCORRECT: "The more you drive a hybrid the more you hate them." That's why hybrids get 90%+ owner satisfaction ratings, right? Because the owners start hating them? Puh-Leeze - don't attempt to insult our intelligence by saying something so blatantly false. |
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Replying to: larsb (May 21, 2009 1:51 pm) Not exactly. The 2009 Prius has an 8.8 satisfaction rating down from over 9.5 on previous years of Prius. This is typical of unhappy Prius owners experience. It only took about 5 miles in town for me to know I would never take one on a trip. Some people take longer to realize they made a mistake. We bought the car for its great fuel economy and nothing else. The car isn't cute, the ride is not what we were used to but we knew that. We test drove the Prius many times before buying it. But during our first long distance trip (400 miles) we experienced handling problems. The car wanted to move from side to side, I was constantly adjusting the wheel. There were also cross winds during part of the trip, which made things worst. Spoke to my local Toyota Service department and corporate Customer Service, they indicated the car was "Working as designed". My wife refuses to use the Pruis for long distance highway driving. Prius not for the tall folks: Might want to look elsewhere if over 6ft tall as I am. Ergonomics have become annoying - rear view mirror mostly in road-level line of sight and legs cramped by non-height adjustable seat. Marginal power up steep hills, and need to give lots of gas to accelerate onto freeway onramps. Otherwise, cruises flats well, very smooth ride, fairly quiet interior. You may wish the gas motor was off all the time since the electric drive is captivating. Car is well built, high quality inside and out, save the lack of seat / steering wheel adjustments. JBL audio system pretty good, not amazing though. At 6ft 3in, I would not buy this car again. Or those with a back they care about: I must say that overall I'm quite happy with my Prius-look, performance, gas mileage-but what the heck was Toyota thinking with those seats?! I eagerly took my brand new Prius on a 200 mile r/t roadtrip (one I do every month) to upstate NY. About 1/2 hr into my ride my back started hurting and my tailbone began throbbing. By the time I got back home that evening, I was in serious agony! I can't believe Toyota put so much attention into the technology-bluetooth, reverse cameras, smart key, the entire hybrid system-and the seats were just a mere afterthought! No lumbar support? Really???? Now I'm in the market for some seats that don't feel like rocks so I can tolerate my 80 mile r/t commute! |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 21, 2009 3:49 pm) According to the JD Power survery that asks current owners if they'd re-up on their current vehicle the Prius is No 1 in the industry with a 93% 'YES' response. The Corvette is second at 92% and the Mini is third. Next case. |
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Replying to: gagrice (May 21, 2009 3:49 pm) With a 93% positive rating, I could post 93 "I love my Prius" quotes for every seven of yours. Don't go there, Amigo. Just admit you got it wrong and we can all move along happily.
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Replying to: larsb (May 22, 2009 5:54 am) Barry Obama and his ignorant minions will not force me to own or drive one. They have put the mark in the sand and the battle is yet to come. PS 93% of what. Some poll on a rag like CR I suppose. I will accept the Edmund's owners and they are not so easily bullied. The Prius ratings have gone down. The 2009 ratings are the lowest since it was introduced. Toyota has gone in the crapper also.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 22, 2009 8:26 pm) What has one to do with another?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 23, 2009 8:54 am) That includes your very repressive views on BOF SUVs and PU trucks. However the discussion got sidetracked with a very funny review of the Insight by our friend in the UK. He does not like the direction the auto industry is headed either. At least in the EU the people have a choice of vehicles that we do not. I would downsize for most of my running around. NEVER in a hybrid. EV or Diesel YES, overly complex hybrid NO.
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Replying to: gagrice (May 23, 2009 8:02 pm) It's the perversion of fact and truth that annoys the crap out of me. To wit... You may like the direction our President is headed, taking over banks and auto makers. I don't. I don't like his direction for the future of the automobile even a little bit. This was done in the last Administration. Your mistaken impressions are based on false premises. As regards the new vehicle lineup, you simply don't understand the new regs and you're shooting from the hip with no facts combined with erroneous beliefs. It's no wonder that you're almost always wrong. Research my friend. It'll do wonders for your outlook. I have no views on the BOF segment at all except what the buying public shows me, except what the monthly sales stats show since 2001, except what the CEOs of Ford and GM told the public last year.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 23, 2009 8:25 pm) And you base your opinions on the buying public? The same ignorant souls that pay big bucks for a Prius when gas prices are high, and don't even look at them when gas is cheap. My opinion is now and will remain that well made BOF vehicles are safer and inherently longer lasting. Research my friend. It'll do wonders for your outlook. I do a lot of research. Sometimes your statements are correct and sometimes you spin the facts to say what you want to believe. The poor rating of the Scion tC comes to mind. I did not defend what our past administration did in regards to the TARP money squandered on banks and the auto industry. I listened to hope and change for a year from President Obama, and get exactly the same politics as usual since he has been sworn in. Add to that he has alienated most of the people that still have enough money to get things rolling again. I look for a combo of FDR and Carter making a small recession into a BIG one. Getting back to the Insight or any other hybrid in that class. I will reconsider my view when I find one that will take me from my place of shopping to my home, at the speed limit without the engine screaming up over 3000 RPM. Same reason I hate 4 cylinder gas engines. They do not have enough power except for flatlanders. An engine that will not haul my vehicle from Costco to home without going over 2500 RPM at 70 MPH is inadequate for my needs. |
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