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Infinti line to go ALL Hybrid within next decade by larsb
Mar 27, 2009 (8:47 am)
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Cool, Nissan !!
 
Nissan’s Infiniti brand has pledged to exclusively offer hybrid vehicles within the next ten years, and the first step in that plan could hit our shores next year. Reports out of Japan suggest Nissan will launch a new luxury-hybrid model next year.
 
According to Japan’s Nikkei, Nissan will launch a hybrid version of its next-generation Infiniti M in the United States in 2010. A Nissan-badged version of the car – called the Fuga – will also launch in Japan next year.
 
Although Nissan offers a hybrid version of its Altima sedan here in the States, Nissan actually borrows its hybrid technology from cross-country rival Toyota. However, the hybrid system set to launch next year will be completely developed by Nissan.
 
The M’s hybrid system is expected to spread to other Infiniti models within the next few years, and could culminate in a production version of the Essence show car.
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Honda abandons its diesel plans in favor of hybrid options by kdhspyder
Apr 08, 2009 (1:18 pm)
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From the President of Honda
 
Fukui also said Honda has decided not to proceed with its plans to put clean diesel engines in its large cars. He cites the cost of clearing tough emissions regulations in the United States and Japan as the reason. The more cost-effective solution will be a modified or possibly new hybrid drive system which will instead become the future green drivetrain for big vehicles.
 
Hybrids Yes, Diesels No
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press request by kirstie_h HOST
Apr 09, 2009 (11:53 am)
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Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew by larsb
Apr 29, 2009 (9:21 am)
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This is for those who have always called the hybrids "loss leaders" and were WRONG about that !!!
 
Despite what most people believe regarding the profitability of hybrids, Honda and Toyota have proven that you can make money on this type of product. Hybrids were once thought to be a money losing proposition for a company, but its no longer the case for Honda and Toyota at least.
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Re: Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew [larsb] by lzc
Apr 30, 2009 (5:22 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Apr 29, 2009 9:21 am)

While I hope Toyota is making profit on the Prius after all these years, your source didn't exactly convince me. It's a website promoting electric cars. The consensus of auto analysts remains that Toyota has lost money for years on the Prius. Whether that is still true today, of course, no one outside of Toyota knows.
 
Honda is a different story. Their hybrid system is much simpler and, presumably, less costly to manufacture.
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Re: Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew [lzc] by larsb
Apr 30, 2009 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: lzc (Apr 30, 2009 5:22 am)

No, the source was a story in the Nikkei newspaper from Japan.
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Re: Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew [lzc] by kdhspyder
Apr 30, 2009 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: lzc (Apr 30, 2009 5:22 am)

The math and accounting indicate otherwise... It's a very good discussion.
 
Yes Honda's IMA is much less expensive ... but the vehicle also sells for $2000 to $6000 less. Two years ago Toyota announced publicly that it was making money on the hybrids. Then it lowered the price of the Prius by $600 to $1200.
 
This leaked data is not surprising. The sheer weight of volume of units sold guarantees that it/they have been profitable.
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Re: Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew [larsb] by bamacar
Apr 30, 2009 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Apr 30, 2009 5:50 am)

Where is the actual story? This little snippet means absolutely nothing. Is it all hybrids sold? For a specific year? For hybrids sold In Japan only where prices are fixed? Is this corporate profit only not including dealer profit?
 
Until I see the text, I don't believe it. If Toyota is getting 3500 dollar profit for a Prius Package 2 at 21500 as they are being sold today with incentives, I would be very surprised.
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Re: Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew [bamacar] by kdhspyder
Apr 30, 2009 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: bamacar (Apr 30, 2009 11:11 am)

IMO the figures are being leaked since the year end results are just coming out soon. From the article it appears that the figure is an aggragate number for all of the hybrids.
 
It makes a lot of sense since most of the numbers have been known for some time now.
 
The selling price to the customer has little to do with the revenue to the vehicle maker. Until recently there were no rebates at all on the Prius. There was a $600 to $2000 discount introduced on the sticker back in June of 07 which is when I believe that the vehicles 'went positive'. Those sticker discounts have recently been increased in order to blow out the last of the 09s and a $1000 rebate has been added.
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Apr-2009 Hybrid sales by yerth10
May 01, 2009 (7:32 pm)
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In Apr-2009, some 21,000 hybrid vehicles were sold.
Toyota - 12K +
Honda - 5K +
Ford - 2K +
GM - 1K +
 
I guess Hybrids are picking up. All expectations are on Prius-III.
More important is automaker should reduce the Hybrid Premium.

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