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Re: [michaeldoherty] by gagrice
Mar 17, 2009 (5:30 am)
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Replying to: michaeldoherty (Mar 17, 2009 5:17 am)

As for hybrid sales dropping off, run a comparison of how bad sales are overall, then compare them to the dropoff in hybrid sales. Hybrids are actually increasing their market share even as sales drop because the rest of the market is so bad.
 
Not according to the LA Times article I just posted. The hybrids are sitting 80 days on the lots. It is not good for the high priced battery to sit for long periods of time. They will deteriorate if not kept charged. I doubt Toyota is sending charging units to the overflow lots with thousands of cars to charge those batteries. It will not be a problem for the buyers other than premature failure of the battery and the hassle of waiting for a replacement.
 
A complete discharge of a cell until it goes into polarity reversal can cause permanent damage to the cell
 
NiMH cells historically had a somewhat higher self-discharge rate (equivalent to internal leakage)
 
The rate is strongly affected by the temperature at which the batteries are stored with cooler storage temperatures leading to slower discharge rate and longer battery life. The highest capacity cells on the market (> 8000mAh) are reported to have the highest self-discharge rates.
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Re: [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Mar 17, 2009 (5:36 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 17, 2009 5:30 am)

While the hybrids are being affected by the downturn like every other vehicle on the market they are being affected somewhat less. Not much but somewhat less. 80 days is not optimal but it's better than 90 or 120 or even 360 days like some other models.
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Re: Are hybrids on their death bed? [gagrice] by larsb
Mar 17, 2009 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Mar 17, 2009 5:08 am)

Gary, you will beat hybrids to a death bed.
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Re: [kdhspyder] by bamacar
Mar 21, 2009 (8:06 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 17, 2009 5:36 am)

Although the market for hybrids may be slightly better than for nonhybrids, there is no doubt that since last summer the hybrids are massively more affected by the recent downturn. If Hybrids went from 2 days to 80 days on the lots and nonhybrids went form 80-100 to 90-120, which was more affected?
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Re: [bamacar] by kdhspyder
Mar 22, 2009 (4:41 am)
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Replying to: bamacar (Mar 21, 2009 8:06 pm)

Yes those numbers are true but last summer was an aberation. More typically Toyota and Honda stores have inventory levels that are at 30 days of sales in normal times. Our typical rate as an average of all vehicles, fast movers and slow movers, is about 25 days of sales on hand.
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Infinti line to go ALL Hybrid within next decade by larsb
Mar 27, 2009 (8:47 am)
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Cool, Nissan !!
 
Nissan’s Infiniti brand has pledged to exclusively offer hybrid vehicles within the next ten years, and the first step in that plan could hit our shores next year. Reports out of Japan suggest Nissan will launch a new luxury-hybrid model next year.
 
According to Japan’s Nikkei, Nissan will launch a hybrid version of its next-generation Infiniti M in the United States in 2010. A Nissan-badged version of the car – called the Fuga – will also launch in Japan next year.
 
Although Nissan offers a hybrid version of its Altima sedan here in the States, Nissan actually borrows its hybrid technology from cross-country rival Toyota. However, the hybrid system set to launch next year will be completely developed by Nissan.
 
The M’s hybrid system is expected to spread to other Infiniti models within the next few years, and could culminate in a production version of the Essence show car.
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Honda abandons its diesel plans in favor of hybrid options by kdhspyder
Apr 08, 2009 (1:18 pm)
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From the President of Honda
 
Fukui also said Honda has decided not to proceed with its plans to put clean diesel engines in its large cars. He cites the cost of clearing tough emissions regulations in the United States and Japan as the reason. The more cost-effective solution will be a modified or possibly new hybrid drive system which will instead become the future green drivetrain for big vehicles.
 
Hybrids Yes, Diesels No
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Apr 09, 2009 (11:53 am)
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Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew by larsb
Apr 29, 2009 (9:21 am)
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This is for those who have always called the hybrids "loss leaders" and were WRONG about that !!!
 
Despite what most people believe regarding the profitability of hybrids, Honda and Toyota have proven that you can make money on this type of product. Hybrids were once thought to be a money losing proposition for a company, but its no longer the case for Honda and Toyota at least.
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Re: Hybrids ARE profitable - which some of us already knew [larsb] by lzc
Apr 30, 2009 (5:22 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Apr 29, 2009 9:21 am)

While I hope Toyota is making profit on the Prius after all these years, your source didn't exactly convince me. It's a website promoting electric cars. The consensus of auto analysts remains that Toyota has lost money for years on the Prius. Whether that is still true today, of course, no one outside of Toyota knows.
 
Honda is a different story. Their hybrid system is much simpler and, presumably, less costly to manufacture.

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