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#443 of 567 Re: Toyota's Dirty little Secret [gagrice] by larsb Oct 04, 2007 (2:32 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Oct 04, 2007 1:58 pm) Gary - I know you loved this.....   But let me temper your excitement.....   There is NO WAY that the automakers can make the 35 MPG by 2020. That is what is being opposed.   It's a TECHNOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY when you combine   1. America's car buyers who do not want to pay more for fuel-efficient cars, who, despite the end of the "SUV Era", still want big powerful cars and trucks, and 2. The current technological restraints on making your fleet 35 MPG.   Toyota is joining Detroit in opposing that ridiculous "mandate" because IT CANNOT BE DONE.   In the last 15 years Toyota has been the ONLY automaker to decrease automobile emissions. Ultimately, Toyota is barely trailing Honda in overall fleet fuel economy, and the automaker is on pace to pass Honda. So, why attack the company actually doing MORE than any other automaker on the issue UOCS cares about most?   Even with high mileage vehicles like the Prius available, consumers still continue to demand big powerful cars and trucks. Just increasing the CAFE standards won't do anything to influence demand for larger vehicles. They also responded to Friedman's comments about higher mileage cars being available overseas by reminding him that there is demand driven by high fuel taxes in other countries. Without similar tax changes here to influence demand, CAFE standards will only frustrate buyers by ensuring the vehicles they want are not available.   Toyota DOES want it both ways, and those two ways are this:   1. Keep making and selling more clean cars than anyone else. 2. Meet the HIGH DEMAND in and make money in the truck market in the USA.   The 35 MPG by 2020 is NOT POSSIBLE, so of course it should be opposed. That doesn't "cancel out" everything else Toyota is doing to be the green company it is CONSISTENTLY RATED AS BY INDUSTRY EXPERTS.   Toyota WANTS a new CAFE standard. Just not a impossible one. Read on:   Read the October 3rd entry to become enlightened Replies to this message: stevedebi (Oct 04, 2007 3:50 pm) gagrice (Oct 04, 2007 7:05 pm) michael2003 (Oct 05, 2007 1:49 am)
#444 of 567 Re: Toyota's Dirty little Secret [larsb] by stevedebi Oct 04, 2007 (3:50 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Oct 04, 2007 2:32 pm) "Ultimately, Toyota is barely trailing Honda in overall fleet fuel economy, and the automaker is on pace to pass Honda. "   Remove the Prius from the Toyota corporate MPG and the HCH from the Honda corporate MPG and check the numbers again. In my opinion, Honda is the only major manufacturer who is serious about keeping all their vehicles as fuel efficient as possible.
#445 of 567 Re: Toyota's Dirty little Secret [larsb] by gagrice Oct 04, 2007 (7:05 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Oct 04, 2007 2:32 pm) I think you have converted me. I am about to buy a Sequoia 4X4 in Arctic Frost Pearl. Only vehicle Toyota has that I like. Sorry NO Hybrids in my future. They are a dead monkey as far as I am concerned. Oh, I have to hurry as the new Sequoia is as big as a Suburban. Too big for my needs. I guess the article is true.
#446 of 567 Re: Toyota's Dirty little Secret [larsb] by michael2003 Oct 05, 2007 (1:49 am)
Replying to: larsb (Oct 04, 2007 2:32 pm) It seems you have an excellent point in that, we might possibly see much higher average fuel economy becoming accepted here in the US if we would just start raising the tax on fuel incrementally. After all, not only would this help foster a more fuel efficient society, it would provide the needed funding to help improve the clean up of the electric grid. We have to start somewhere and this would seem to be the quickest way to kick start the effort and help ensure that some progress is made.
#447 of 567 Environmentalists vs Toyota by pf_flyer HOST Oct 15, 2007 (7:46 am)
Not Easy Being Green
#448 of 567 interesting article by tpe Oct 15, 2007 (5:33 pm)
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#449 of 567 Honda by pf_flyer HOST Oct 29, 2007 (8:43 am)
Honda is looking to increase sales of hybrids to 450,000 units by 2010   Aiming High Replies to this message: larsb (Oct 29, 2007 9:27 am)
#450 of 567 Re: Honda [pf_flyer] by larsb Oct 29, 2007 (9:27 am)
Replying to: pf_flyer (Oct 29, 2007 8:43 am) "Aim for the Stars, and you might hit the Moon."   Anonymous
#451 of 567 Oct-2007 Sales by yerth10 Nov 02, 2007 (3:16 pm)
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/11/us-sales-of-hyb.html?cid=88549350#commen- t-88549350   Prius sales up 50 % compared to Oct-2006 13,158. Camry-H up 25 % Escape/Mariner up 30 % Rx400h up 12 %   Highlander down 63 % (because 2008 model is bigger & heavier) Civic is almost same.   While overall auto sales increased 1.2 %, Hybrids increased 30 %.   Gas prices have started creeping up again. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Nov 02, 2007 3:52 pm)
#452 of 567 Re: Oct-2007 Sales [yerth10] by kdhspyder Nov 02, 2007 (3:52 pm)
Replying to: yerth10 (Nov 02, 2007 3:16 pm) Highlander down 63 % (because 2008 model is bigger & heavier)   And because it's not here yet.. these sales are mostly the leftover '07s. There might be a couple of '08s that snuck in under the 10-31 wire.

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