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Re: Hybrid Sales Slip - No Tax Break for You! [moparbad] by larsb
Nov 30, 2006 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 30, 2006 9:58 am)

From your story:
 
"Sales and marketing officials said lower gas prices and production changes at the Japanese automaker were other factors that cut into its industry leading gas/electric hybrid sales in October. "
 
All smaller cars did worse in October because of gas prices and SUVs improved. Idiotic US car buyers have SHORT memories. That says nothing negative about hybrids.
 
The proof in the pudding will be this:
 
If other carmakers besides Toyota have solid sales figures in their hybrid line (Honda Civic Hybrid, Ford Escape) in November and Toyota yet Toyota hybrids keep slipping, then THAT will indicate that there are a lot of fools who relied on the tax break to decide to buy a Toyota hybrid.
 
If "all hybrids" are down in November, and other small cars are down and trucks and SUVs are up again, then that is merely a reflection of gas prices and not a reflection on the hybrid tax break situation.
 
I have said before that it's "just the fool" who relies on a tax break to make the decision on what car to buy. Buy the hybrid car for what it gives you - cleaner air, better gas mileage, and higher resale value.
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Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles by moparbad
Nov 30, 2006 (1:30 pm)
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Toyota seeks tax breaks
 
3.4 billion in profits for just one quarter and Toyota requests tax incentives for it's hybrid vehicles!
 
If Toyota desires incentives for it's vehicles it can afford to provide them from it's own earnings.
 
Toyota reports slow sales of popular hybrid, blaming waning buyer interest on absence of full federal tax break.
 
Hybrid buyers buy for the tax break, not lower emissions, I knew it all along.
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Re: Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles [moparbad] by larsb
Nov 30, 2006 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 30, 2006 1:30 pm)

Toyota is only saying that the tax break which lasts longer for the "slow selling" companies is not fair for the company who sells a lot of hybrids and the tax break runs out really fast.
 
Basically, with the current tax code, Toyota is now being "punished" for selling 60,000 hybrids so quickly !!!
 
Trust me: Ford and GM will be crying too when the tax breaks expire on THEIR tiny offerings of a couple of slow-selling hybrids.
 
Even the President wants the tax breaks extended - not just Toyota. It's not greed, it's the ENVIRONMENT.
 
P.S. Name me ONE SINGLE hybrid buyer who bought ONLY for the tax break and I will indicate to you a fool.
 
P.S.P.S. "diesel buyers buy for the exhaust smell"
you see how broad generalizations are goofy?
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Re: Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles [moparbad] by tpe
Nov 30, 2006 (4:45 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Nov 30, 2006 1:30 pm)

The biggest problem I had with the tax break is that, with it, the Prius was selling at MSRP or maybe even a little higher. We all know that most cars can be purchased at closer to invoice. So essentially this tax break was being split between the purchaser and the car dealership. I understand the sentiment in encouraging people to buy "greener" vehicles but I don't think our tax code should be subsidizing the car dealerships. The way I see it there is a fundamental flaw in this tax break approach to encouraging people to buy hybrids.
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Top 10 vehicles for holding value by kdhspyder
Nov 30, 2006 (10:20 pm)
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No's 1 and 10 are hybrids.
 
CR article
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Not a Hybrid on the List Re: Top 10 vehicles for holding value [kdhspyder] by moparbad
Dec 01, 2006 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 30, 2006 10:20 pm)

Not a hybrid to be found on Edmunds list, and they actually list a % value.
 
Top 10 Cars with Highest Residual Value - No Hybrids
 
Edmunds Top 10 Cars with Best Residual Values and there is not a hybrid or a Toyota on the list (well, there is a Lexus).
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Re: Not a Hybrid on the List Re: Top 10 vehicles for holding value [moparbad] by kdhspyder
Dec 01, 2006 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 01, 2006 4:57 am)

Dueling stats..en garde..
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Re: Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles [tpe] by gagrice
Dec 03, 2006 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Nov 30, 2006 4:45 pm)

That is exactly right. If the hybrids cannot sell on their advantages, so be it. Toyota crying about the tax breaks is really funny. Now they have to sell on merit not government incentives.
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Re: Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Dec 03, 2006 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 03, 2006 6:43 am)

They're doing fine. With one month to go in the CY the results will be just in line with last year, regards the Prius and HCH ( see Nov sales YTD ) and of course the TCH is all additional volume.
 
Now however in the next two years there's going to be an awful lot of new entries in the field from Nissan to Ford to GM to Honda to Hyundai. If by 'hybrid' you mean 'Toyota Hybrids' then Press' crying as you say is just a way to keep the playing field level now that everyone has a clean vehicle option.
 
Toyota and Honda were first and pushed the technology envelope now the rest are coming around to see the merits - or have just been able to master the technology.
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Nissan Hybrid Skeptic by moparbad
Dec 05, 2006 (9:48 am)
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Hybrid Skeptic Nissan
 
I would just say they are cautious.

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