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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 31, 2007 9:06 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 31, 2007 12:29 pm) I'm guessing that most of the ADMs were in isolated stores in SoCal. I don't believe that Longo did. |
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CA has 12% of the US population. Would be interesting to know what percentage of all Prius sales have been in California. Was running around 26% after 2005. Hybrid now the best-selling car in Silicon Valley, but Camry, Corolla, Accord and Civic still lead nationwide quote- The Prius' newfound status reflects the continued greening of Silicon Valley. Rod Diridon, executive director of the Mineta Transportation Institute at San Jose State, and a Prius owner, listed sustained higher gas prices, the availability of car pool lane stickers for solo Prius drivers -- no more are being issued -- and the intelligence of local residents as factors in the Prius' popularity. "Are we ahead of the curve, or what?" asked Diridon. "The intellectual capacity within Silicon Valley is amazing," he said. "That higher level of education reflects a higher level of understanding of the terrible consequences of global warming."-end People in Silicon Valley are the most intelligent?
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Replying to: moparbad (Jul 31, 2007 1:39 pm) 
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Replying to: moparbad (Jul 31, 2007 1:39 pm) Hard to argue against that. They put together most of the Dot.Com bubble that filched the country of billions from 401K accounts. A lot of 35 years olds sitting with millions in the bank while lots of 65 year olds wonder what happened to the retirement they were hoping for. So they can afford the over priced hybrids.
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Toyota announced today a basic version of the Prius with less standard equipment and a lower price for 2009. The base prices of the normal model and Touring model were increased slightly. Increased competition and the desire to reach a broader market were cited as reasons. 4 years on the market probably had something to do with it as well. This should be the last year ( 18 mos ) of this model.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 31, 2007 1:50 pm) The people in charge of the dot.bomb companies did not control the choices of stocks those broke retirees made. It was not anyone's "fault" that the stocks were inflated beyond their actual worth - that's just how the market forces evolved. Cashing out the stock when it was high (which at most was done by only a FEW hundred already overpaid executives but most of whom had worked VERY HARD to build their company) was just a smart move. All those retirees who lost stock value could have done the same thing, and many of them DID DO JUST THAT. Similar to the stock market crash of 1929. Overvalued stocks are good for nobody. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 31, 2007 1:52 pm) |
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Hybrids better for the environment than for your wallet quote- A study last year by Consumer Reports on six leading hybrids in the U.S. market concluded that each vehicle cost owners more than gas-only models, even when tax incentives and the saving on fuel were factored into the equation. "None of the six hybrids tested recovered its price in the first five years and 75,000 miles of ownership," the study said. (The mileage equals 120,000 kilometers.) The study noted that the extra cost of owning a hybrid ranged from $3,700 to $13,300 during the first five years, depending on the vehicle.-end |
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The obvious flaw with that hybrid cost assessments is the limitation to five years, not the lifetime of the vehicle. Edmunds said this last year: Buyers of the Saturn Vue Green Line from General Motors Corp., the Toyota Camry and the Civic Hybrid from Honda Motor Co. would break-even within six years, Edmunds.com said. From: Hybrid payback And also this: CR's revised analysis shows that two of the six hybrids recovered their price premium in the first five years and 75,000 miles of ownership. The Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid provide a savings of about $400 and $300, respectively, when compared with their all-gas counterparts - as long as federal tax credits apply. About 23 months to payback the Vue hybrid option: With a hybrid option cost of only $2,600 added to the price of a Saturn Vue for a hybrid-electric system, GM of Canada has undercut the other hybrid offerings on the market, and that makes genuine savings from reduced fuel use a distinct likelihood, and quickly. Following the common equations then, GM is saying it will take about 22.22 months for consumers to recover the hybrid option cost being charged for a Saturn Vue Green Line, and that is less than half of what it takes for the other models. Oh my, who to believe, who to believe !?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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