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Replying to: larsb (Dec 06, 2006 2:34 pm) When gasoline goes up next year to $4 per gallon, they will go through the roof! 
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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 06, 2006 2:11 pm) Now that is truly selective choice of statistics to prove an invalid point. August is traditionally the single best sales month for many manufacturers, volume is the highest. November is traditionally one of the worst months each year, maybe the worst month. To take this writer's logic to it's extreme limit Nov '06 hybrid sales were infinitely higher than those.... in May 1998. An equally invalid statistical choice would be to look at TOTAL hybrid sales this year, which are up dramatically, as a predictor of say one vehicle's outlook such as the HAH ... but then there are several more vehicle options for the market. All-in-all a dubious use of time. The market is too seasonal from month to month to look at one single snap shot. At the end of the year compare each model against last year. |
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Hybrid Chery Would be interesting if Chery would export this hybrid. |
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Money Losing Nissan Hybrid "Hybrids today are not a very viable economic proposition," said Dominique Thormann, Nissan North America's senior vice president for administration and finance. "It's still a loss-making proposition. ... It's unprofitable." I wonder if Toyota makes any profit on hybrids?
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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 08, 2006 10:00 am) That is the $64k question. The hybrids give them the green image that allows them to sell their big line-up of gas guzzling trucks and SUVs. I can guarantee they are making a killing off of them. It is a problem some of the other auto makers would love to have. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 08, 2006 10:00 am) 'Yota would not have 750,000 hybrids on the world's roads if they were losing money on them - be sensible people. They have stockholders and boards to answer to just like any other car company. They have challenged their engineers to take half the cost and size away from the hybrid components. That's to make MORE money not to FINALLY make money. I can post dozens of articles where Toyota says they are making money on hybrids. Nissan and GM and others who naysay that are merely jealous of the success of the Toyota hybrid family.
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 08, 2006 10:52 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 08, 2006 10:52 am) Toyota has stockholders ergo hybrids are profitable is not the conclusion I'd be willing to bet my paycheck on. Ford has stockholders, Ford sells hybrids, and Ford is losing ton's of money, literally ton's of money.  I suspect that Toyota does make a profit on the hybrids it sells in 2006 and 2007, however, even if each hybrid sold was sold at a loss, the percentage of hybrids sold by Toyota compared to the total number of vehicles sold by Toyota would certainly allow Toyota to be extremely profitable despite losing money on hybrids. Even when Ford and GM were making money hand over fist they were losing money on small cars and making a fortune on trucks. And yet, they have stockholders and boards to answer to. I am sensible. P.S. No other car maker is as efficient as Toyota The two most efficient auto plants in North America are not Toyota plants. Most Efficient Auto Plants Last but not least.... No other car maker is as efficient as Toyota. Nissan North Americas Most Efficient Automaker quote- Factoring everything together, Harbour Report declared Nissan North America's most efficient automaker. Its plants required 28.46 hours of labor. According to analyst Harbour, that gives the Japanese manufacturer a $300- to $450-per-vehicle cost advantage over less efficient automakers. -end
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Replying to: moparbad (Dec 08, 2006 11:14 am) "The good news for GM, Ford and DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler Group is that all three made progress in 2005, narrowing the efficiency gap with North American plants operated by Toyota, Honda and Nissan." What that means is, they are catching up. Not better, not more efficient, it means their "best of the best" are behind, and moving up, not on the same level. |
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