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#1 of 567 Hybrids - News, Reviews and Views in the Press by moparbad Nov 25, 2006 (8:54 pm)
Camry Hybrid Review   The author of the review is skeptical of the return on investment. Replies to this message: terry92270 (Nov 25, 2006 9:13 pm) gagrice (Jun 16, 2007 12:05 pm)
#2 of 567 Re: Hybrids - News, Reviews and Views in the Press [moparbad] by terry92270 Nov 25, 2006 (9:13 pm)
Replying to: moparbad (Nov 25, 2006 8:54 pm) Well, if the only reason one buys a Hybrid of any type is to save money, no matter what from, that is pretty stupid.   Wanting to take responsibility for our pollution, and do something positive to encourage alternative fuels and technology is usually the foremost reason for buying them.   Aside from that, he makes an ass out of himself taking that huge leap of faith that gasoline stays at $3.00 per gallon for several years....
#3 of 567 He should not be skeptical at all by larsb Nov 27, 2006 (7:55 am)
The Camry Hybrid is "the most economically viable" hybrid to be released yet, when comparing it to other non-hybrid cars in it's own family.   Even using his own shaky math assumptions, he comes down to this conclusion:   So if you buy your Camry hybrid before April 1 and your accountant says you can take the credit, your true added cost for the hybrid will be only $900, with a payback time, then, of about four and a half years.   That's better than ANY other "real" hybrid vehicle which has a non-hybrid brother or sister.   And Toyota has pledged to cut the HSD system size in half and the hybrid premium in half, and a 90+ MPG Prius. Can hardly wait for the future of these hybrids !!!
#4 of 567 Hybrid Sales Slip - No Tax Break for You! by moparbad Nov 30, 2006 (9:58 am)
Hybrid Sales Slip   No surprise here, without government handouts, hybrids are not so attractive a purchase. Replies to this message: larsb (Nov 30, 2006 11:31 am)
#5 of 567 Re: Hybrid Sales Slip - No Tax Break for You! [moparbad] by larsb Nov 30, 2006 (11:31 am)
Replying to: moparbad (Nov 30, 2006 9:58 am) From your story:   "Sales and marketing officials said lower gas prices and production changes at the Japanese automaker were other factors that cut into its industry leading gas/electric hybrid sales in October. "   All smaller cars did worse in October because of gas prices and SUVs improved. Idiotic US car buyers have SHORT memories. That says nothing negative about hybrids.   The proof in the pudding will be this:   If other carmakers besides Toyota have solid sales figures in their hybrid line (Honda Civic Hybrid, Ford Escape) in November and Toyota yet Toyota hybrids keep slipping, then THAT will indicate that there are a lot of fools who relied on the tax break to decide to buy a Toyota hybrid.   If "all hybrids" are down in November, and other small cars are down and trucks and SUVs are up again, then that is merely a reflection of gas prices and not a reflection on the hybrid tax break situation.   I have said before that it's "just the fool" who relies on a tax break to make the decision on what car to buy. Buy the hybrid car for what it gives you - cleaner air, better gas mileage, and higher resale value.
#6 of 567 Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles by moparbad Nov 30, 2006 (1:30 pm)
Toyota seeks tax breaks   3.4 billion in profits for just one quarter and Toyota requests tax incentives for it's hybrid vehicles!   If Toyota desires incentives for it's vehicles it can afford to provide them from it's own earnings.   Toyota reports slow sales of popular hybrid, blaming waning buyer interest on absence of full federal tax break.   Hybrid buyers buy for the tax break, not lower emissions, I knew it all along. Replies to this message: larsb (Nov 30, 2006 2:25 pm) tpe (Nov 30, 2006 4:45 pm) gagrice (Dec 03, 2006 6:43 am) kdhspyder (Dec 03, 2006 8:01 am)
#7 of 567 Re: Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles [moparbad] by larsb Nov 30, 2006 (2:25 pm)
Replying to: moparbad (Nov 30, 2006 1:30 pm) Toyota is only saying that the tax break which lasts longer for the "slow selling" companies is not fair for the company who sells a lot of hybrids and the tax break runs out really fast.   Basically, with the current tax code, Toyota is now being "punished" for selling 60,000 hybrids so quickly !!!   Trust me: Ford and GM will be crying too when the tax breaks expire on THEIR tiny offerings of a couple of slow-selling hybrids.   Even the President wants the tax breaks extended - not just Toyota. It's not greed, it's the ENVIRONMENT.   P.S. Name me ONE SINGLE hybrid buyer who bought ONLY for the tax break and I will indicate to you a fool.   P.S.P.S. "diesel buyers buy for the exhaust smell" you see how broad generalizations are goofy?
#8 of 567 Re: Toyota seeks tax breaks for it's vehicles [moparbad] by tpe Nov 30, 2006 (4:45 pm)
Replying to: moparbad (Nov 30, 2006 1:30 pm) The biggest problem I had with the tax break is that, with it, the Prius was selling at MSRP or maybe even a little higher. We all know that most cars can be purchased at closer to invoice. So essentially this tax break was being split between the purchaser and the car dealership. I understand the sentiment in encouraging people to buy "greener" vehicles but I don't think our tax code should be subsidizing the car dealerships. The way I see it there is a fundamental flaw in this tax break approach to encouraging people to buy hybrids. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 03, 2006 6:43 am) kdhspyder (Dec 03, 2006 8:01 am)
#9 of 567 Top 10 vehicles for holding value by kdhspyder Nov 30, 2006 (10:20 pm)
No's 1 and 10 are hybrids.   CR article Replies to this message: moparbad (Dec 01, 2006 4:57 am) kdhspyder (Dec 01, 2006 12:30 pm)
#10 of 567 Not a Hybrid on the List Re: Top 10 vehicles for holding value [kdhspyder] by moparbad Dec 01, 2006 (4:57 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 30, 2006 10:20 pm) Not a hybrid to be found on Edmunds list, and they actually list a % value.   Top 10 Cars with Highest Residual Value - No Hybrids   Edmunds Top 10 Cars with Best Residual Values and there is not a hybrid or a Toyota on the list (well, there is a Lexus). Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Dec 01, 2006 12:30 pm)

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