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Lexus ES 330, Lexus ES 300, Sedan
#19 of 44 I wouldn't for a different reason
Jul 19, 2007 (1:37 pm)
I bought a used 1998 ES 300 in April 2007 (a 9 year old car) with 120,000 miles on it. I have been driving it for 3 months now and have put 1000+ miles on it. I think it's the smoothest car I have ever driven. It just floats when cruising but gets taut and handles well when accelerating ... atleast this is what I felt. I wanted to get an old luxury car with the best in reliability which means Audi automatically is off the list. I choose Lexus over M.Benz/BMW only because of Toyota's solid reliability reputation and it's worked so far.
Now, why I won't buy another Lexus? Well ... if this one starts creating trouble soon then it is obvious why I won't buy another one but if this doesn't then I am going to keep this car as long as it runs. Why buy a second Lexus when you can buy another luxury brand like a BMW/Benz? So that's why I won't be getting another Lexus that way either
#20 of 44 Over Priced Camry
Jul 25, 2007 (8:10 am)
NEVER again. all those extra $$$
just for the (L) on the hood. they are way too proud of their over priced Camry & over priced parts. you can't get parts from the Toyota Dealer. everything in the car is designed to force you back to the Lexus dealer. same parts, just changed the bolt patterns enough so you can't use the cheaper Toyota same part. you have to use the more expensive Lexus same part. I found the "owners manual" to be the biggest joke of all.
it has the index in the back of the book. look up anything. head light adjustments, bulb replacement... anything. they all say the same thing. "see your Lexus dealer"
right down to the stereo. it has this oddly shaped stereo. not a square or rectangle. plus it's about five time the size of a replacement stereo.
so again. your forced into fixing it or replacing it at the Lexus dealer with a Lexus stereo. and don't even try to call the Lexus dealer service department for advice on a problem. the one and only answer you will get is... "yeah sure, we can help you... bring it on in."
you can't just tell me how to get the ashtray out of the dash?
or where the headlight adjustment screw is?
"nope, but you can bring it in and we'll look at it for you."
I also have a '98 Honda Accord EX. easy to fix. engineering is excellent.
drives just a nice if not better than my ES. much better on fuel.
the ES sucks it down. both have a 3.0 V6
unless you think your impressing someone with the (L)
I would say it's a big waist of money.
oh, P.S. I didn't buy mine because it was a Lexus. it was passed down to me. I would have never paid that much for a silly car that's going to drop in price as soon as I drive it off the lot. birds, door dings, kids sitting on it when you come out of the store. eh! I'd take a good ol' pick-up any day over one of these again. rich Womens car.
#21 of 44 2000 ES 300.
Nov 27, 2007 (5:03 pm)
I have a 2000 ES300 and apart for scheduled oil changes I have not had to spend any money on the car.I live near Toronto and last year we drove to San Diego and back and did not have to add any oil and most days we cruised at about 80 MPH when possible.I have had this car from new and the only reason I want a new one is because of the safety features on newer cars.A great car and very economical on gas.I have read about the problems some owners are having with the ES350 so I have test driven Acura RLs,Volvo S80,and Infiniti M 35X but all are too noisy, and I am comparing newcars to my 8 year old car.I guess being a Lexus owner has one drawback ,it spoils you so you cant go to another brand.Both the Acura and the Infiniti salespeople admitted to me that prospective customers they have who are Lexus owners find their cars too noisy and have a harsher ride.I guess I will buy the ES350 and trust I am not one of the few with problems
#22 of 44 Car is overrated
Dec 09, 2007 (11:24 am)
Have had mine for year and half and frankly I'm not impressed. It is a nice car but nothing special. (The BMW 5 or 3 is impressive to drive but too unreliable and too expensive). The most outstanding thing about the Lexus is the mileage, which is impressive. I should say that my wife loves the 350.
I rent cars often when traveling for business and based on my experience frankly I'd be happy with a Buick, Mercury or Honda.
I would consider another Lexus only if the price was not much higher than other choices. Otherwise I probably won't buy another one.
#23 of 44 Would I buy a Lexus ES again
Dec 10, 2007 (9:46 pm)
As I have read these posts over the past couple of years,
I consider myself a fortunate Lexus owner. I am aware of the transmission issue,
as is my wife, we are both car savvy and we work with it. And the air conditioning
system odor, keep the cab air filter changed and keep the system clean and free
from mildew. This is not just a lexus problem. Check with a Ford owner. They make a special spray to run through the system to eliminate the musty smell.
Otherwise, my 2003 has 50k miles on it and runs very well. Great mileage, quiet on
the highway, we travel to the country regularly. Have done the front brakes for the first time earlier this year. Replaced the tires just last month. I am a big fan of synthetic lubricants and that is one of the first things I did after buying the car was change all the oils to Amsoil synthetic. No other gremlins so far.
And yes, the display on the radio and climate control is pathetic in the daylight.
Would I buy another Lexus. Yes, an Ls 430 or a 460L
It's about time that someone made a big sedan car again. Even though the 460
is really not that big.
Volkswagen Phaeton anyone?
#24 of 44 Re: Bye bye ES, hello G! [es4jb]
Jan 29, 2008 (5:36 pm)
Funny that i agree with nearly all of your comments. today the car was in for the 32k service, which is major. I was told I need brakes on both front and rear with about 1mm on front pads and 2 mm on back pads. Cost $750 on a call with only 32K miles. Ridiculous. I was also told that I'm going to need to buy at least 2 tires by the next service (another 5k miles). This will be the 4th & 5th tire I have bought for this car at $195 each. I loathe this car as well and am happy that my lease is over shortly.
#25 of 44 I would not buy another one either!!
Mar 07, 2008 (12:07 pm)
My 2007 ES 350 has 27,00 miles on it. This is my first foreign car purchase and thought I would get the "best" and not have to worry. Boy - was I wrong!! I should disclose that my previous cars were Olds Auroras (1995 and 2001) which had their own mechanical issues but the normal maintenance items were economical. Also, both cars ran and handled great! In fact, I would have bought another Aurora except Olds was no more.
Back to the ES 350. The much hyped Japanese technology is so much bull!!
- Interior temperature controls are virtually worthless. I have more luck with my 2005 Olds van with manual controls. My Auroras were much better at maintaining interior temp.
- Audio system is a joke for a car this expensive. The GM Bose system just blows Lexus away!!
- Rain sensitive wipers are virtually useless. Even on the least sensitive setting they continue working, smearing the windshield. I have turned them off. Again, my Aurora's rain sensitive wipers were excellent.
- Throttle lag is annoying (Just to be fair, the Aurora had a similar problem)
- The factory tires (michelins) are deplorable! Worn out at 20,000 miles!! Changed to Yokohama with 60,000 mile warranty and have a much better handling car!!
- The handling is like the old American land cruisers (1970 Olds, Fords, etc.) Again the Aurora was much better!
- The Lexus sounds like a diesel when you start it up and for the first 2 minutes. Told by the dealer it is caused by the exterior fuel pump!! I don't care why - you would think that the supposedly great Japanese automotive engineers could have figured that out!!
- The interior material is so cheap that Lexus should be ashamed to market this as a premium auto. The plastic trim between the seats and the doors ( for the light grey interiors) is simply grey paint over black plastic. The paint rubs off very easily exposing the black plastic - very ugly.
- The exterior paint is comparable to the better US cars - certainly not better!!
- The car looks identical to the Camry (I saw that when I bought the car but did not count on how irritating it would become!!)
- The navigation system is good except it cannot be used while driving!! This is the only system I know of with this limitation!! I understand that it is not safe for the driver to use it while driving but you would think that the brilliant Japanese engineers would have installed a sensor in the passenger seat to allow th passenger to use it!!
- The cost to update the Nav system is $265!! Laughable since I can buy a new Garmin for not much more!!
- Front end alignment can only be performed by the dealer for around $200 if you have the swiveling headlights.
- All the dealer services are waaaaayyyy over priced!!
The good things:
- Ride is very good
- Cabin is very quiet while driving
- Gas mileage is good
- Engine/transmission has been flawless (except for throttle lag)
- Even though it looks like a Camry, I do like the body style
- So far, the dealers I have taken the car to have been very good.
- The HID headlights are great.
Personal vital stats: Age - 62, male, other cars currently owned is the 2005 Olds Van and a black/black 2001 Corvette.
Bottom Line: Will not buy another Lexus, probably trade this one in much sooner than normal. Will seriously consider the new Cadillac CTS for my next car.
Mar 13, 2008 (11:23 pm)
I have never had any " unreasonable" problems with my '02 ES300. I bought it with about 90K on it and it has 130K now. It has been reliable, comfortable, quiet and has received nice comments from those departing the vehicle. Along with normal service I had to replace the mid coupling in the exhaust system, which is after the catalitic converter, because I ran over a heavily crusted ice mound instead of driving over the other side of the road: the back side of a mountain!!! Without a very savvy mechanic that little stunt would have cost me over 3K through a Lexus dealer. Thankfully that part was the only identical piece in the exhaust which was used in the camry that year. So Mr. Mechanic cut out the puntured piece and braised / welded the new piece in place in the system. Total cost $300.00. This is my first Lexus, before it I drove Caddy or Chrysler. Given its price range I'm very satisfied with Lexus. However, if I'm to buy another "L" it will need more horses in the barn and more " Bose" for the tunes. If I wanted to pick it apart I could but again for the $ it's a nice ride.
Mar 19, 2008 (5:28 pm)
The first Lexus I owned was a 95 ES300. I drove this car for 10 years and it was a very good mechanically sound car. Toward the winter of it's life with me I had to replace the AC system, hood struts and starter. Other service items were batteries, tires, brakes but nothing unexpected for driving a vehicle for 10 years. I replaced it with an 2005 ES330 and it has been an excellent vehicle although since being retired have not put many miles on it. I have owned GM products, Ford and BMW and I can tell you that Lexus makes a better car. There service is top of the line and if you wait on a repair in their waiting room it is like your living room at home. They treat their customers with the up most courtesy and they always wash and clean your car after every service. I have recently just bought a 2008 RX350 so now I am a 2 car Lexus owner.
#28 of 44 It's comical
Apr 16, 2008 (2:58 pm)
I have been in the Mercedes forum today researching E Series and I see a lot of people claiming they will never buy another one and will buy a Lexus instead. I come over here and see people complaining about Lexus and saying they'll go with MB E Series next time. It's a small world, indeed.